Trump suggests national adopt "stop and frisk" to combat black violence

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stop and frisk is disgusting. fukk this :camby:

at the same time, i dont expect police to get guns off the street if they cant stop and frisk. it isnt possible :yeshrug: so the guns have to be cut off at the source
If they'd stop pushing the drugs they cook up in ghetto while underfunding schools and overfunding jail there'd be a lot less people pushing on the corner and getting an education instead of banging out there. I know guys who used to do that shyt in east New York and in the Bronx. Did it because they didn't have an alternative for a good education or a good job. It was a means of keeping the bills paid. That's what the government wants.
 

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Here is a pic from Trump's African American outreach town hall meeting.

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Oh hell naw!!

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Trump calls himself the 'Law and Order candidate', so this isn't surprising. Between this and his comments on Fox a while back, it's pretty obvious that Trump doesn't care about our constitutional rights.

Before the usual suspects show up (@CACtain Planet, @Aelyas en passant) extolling the virtues of stop and frisk:
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...whats considered a successful percentage when you're dealing with preventative policing? :lupe:

I don't support stop and frisk though :whoa:
 

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That nydailynews article is poorly written. Correlation doesn't equal causation. He doesn't present any data to back up his assertions.

Stop and Frisk Facts
Myth #1: Stop-and-Frisk reduces crime and keeps people safer.

“[Stop-and-Frisk] is a program that is effective… you used to not be able to walk down the streets of this city safely and today you can walk every neighborhood during the day and most neighborhoods at night. .” – Ray Kelly

FACT: No research has ever proven the effectiveness of New York City’s stop-and-frisk regime, and the small number of arrests, summonses, and guns recovered demonstrates that the practice is ineffective. Crime data also do not support the claim that New York City is safer because of the practice. While violent crimes fell 29 percent in New York City from 2001 to 2010, other large cities experienced larger violent crime declines without relying on stop and frisk abuses: 59 percent in Los Angeles, 56 percent in New Orleans, 49 percent in Dallas, and 37 percent in Baltimore.

Stop-and-Frisk abuses corrode trust between the police and communities, which makes everyone less safe. Don’t believe us? Then listen to NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly in 2000: “[A] large reservoir of good will was under construction when I left the Police Department in 1994. It was called community policing. But it was quickly abandoned for tough-sounding rhetoric and dubious stop-and-frisk tactics that sowed new seeds of community mistrust.”

Myth #2: Mayor Bloomberg’s stop-and-frisk policies cut the number of murders in half.

“Over the past 10 years, there were 5,430 murders in New York City, compared with 11,058 in the decade before Mayor Bloomberg took office. That’s a remarkable achievement — 5,628 lives saved — attributable to proactive policing strategies that included stops.” – NYPD Spokesperson Paul Browne

FACT: The murder drop happened before Bloomberg took office and before the explosion in stop-and-frisk. The year before the mayor took office there were 649 murders in New York City. In 2011, there were 526 murders. This 19 percent drop is important, but to suggest that murders were cut in half because of stop-and-frisk is simply wrong.

Further, stop-and-frisk has not reduced the number of people who fall victim to shootings. In 2002, there were 1,892 victims of gunfire and 97,296 stops. In 2011, there were still 1,821 victims of gunfire but a record 685,724 stops.

Myth #3: Stop-and-Frisk gets guns off the street and, therefore, prevents murders.

“There’s no denying that stops take guns off the street and save lives.” –Ray Kelly

FACT: Guns are found in less than 0.2 percent of stops. That is an unbelievably poor yield rate for such an intrusive, wasteful and humiliating police action. Yet, stop-and-frisk has increased more than 600 percent under Bloomberg and Kelly. And the rate of finding guns is worsening as the NYPD stops more innocent people each year.

Myth #4: Stop-and-Frisk is not discriminatory.

“ Blacks made up 53 percent of the stop subjects and were 66 percent of the violent crime suspects in 2011... For Hispanics, 34 percent were stop subjects and 26 percent were violent crime suspects.” – NYPD Spokesperson Paul Browne

FACT: Comparing police stops to violent crime suspects is bad math. Only 11 percent of stops in 2011 were based on a description of a violent crime suspect. On the other hand, from 2002 to 2011, black and Latino residents made up close to 90 percent of people stopped, and about 88 percent of stops – more than 3.8 million – were of innocent New Yorkers. Even in neighborhoods that are predominantly white, black and Latino New Yorkers face the disproportionate brunt. For example, in 2011, Black and Latino New Yorkers made up 24 percent of the population in Park Slope, but 79 percent of stops. This, on its face, is discriminatory.

1 All crime data are from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports.
2 Data on shooting victims obtained by Murray Weiss of DNAinfo and reported on June 5, 2010.

http://www.nyclu.org/files/Mythbusters_08.30.12.pdf
http://www.nyclu.org/files/stopandfrisk-factsheet.pdf

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This picture comes from a New York Civil Liberties Union report released Wednesday that the group is framing as a comprehensive account of stop-and-frisk during the Bloomberg years. During the mayor's 12-year tenure, police department data show that officers made more than 5 million stops, a quarter of them of young black men who made up just 1.9 percent of the city's population.




The NYCLU report documents the racial imbalance that has made the policy so divisive in New York and other cities where the practice has contributed to animosity between minority communities and law enforcement. But the ACLU accounting also points to other data that undermine the rationale for stop-and-frisk: It yielded few weapons when officials justified the policy as a way to reduce shootings and recover guns; in more than 5 million stops, police recovered a gun less than 0.02 percent of the time. And as the NYPD ramped up the number of stops, shootings and murders in the city did not appear to correspondingly decline:
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Stop and frisk wasn't an effective policy.


@ThreeLetterAgency I don't like the idea behind preventive policing - it's placing the onus on the people to prove they're not criminals to the authority. As far as your question, I honestly can't say.
 

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