David_TheMan
Banned
thats how they know the US be supporting them.Funny, since Turkey supports some of those same terrorists
Turkey says US is supporting terrorists (PKK, YPG, ISIS); Russia & Turkey declare ceasefire in Syria
The Fukin Prophecy
RIP Champ
Exactly...Meanwhile Turkey shares the most porous border with Syria
How did all those militants get into Syria?
Erdogan is that clown kid that wants so desperately to be accepted by the cool kids that he kisses everybody ass and does whatever they say hoping one of the cool kids allow him to sit at their lunch table...He is so desperate to be acknowledged by a super power its downright comical...
He was FULLY compliant and on board with the US lead plan to out Assad with this insurgency...The US trained the "moderate rebels"
in Turkey and the ones that weren't trained by the US all came through Erdogans border...He was even exchanging oil with them (per his new friends the Russians) which was ISIS prime source of funding until the US realized the mothafukkas they armed were/joined ISIS and started bombing those trucks...right. and he was shooting Russian jets and shyt.Exactly...
Erdogan is that clown kid that wants so desperately to be accepted by the cool kids that he kisses everybody ass and does whatever they say hoping one of the cool kids allow him to sit at their lunch table...He is so desperate to be acknowledged by a super power its downright comical...
He was FULLY compliant and on board with the US lead plan to out Assad with this insurgency...The US trained the "moderate rebels"
Unsurprising.
Russia, Turkey, and Iran all had a very clear agenda when it came to Syria---defeat ISIS and put Assad back in power.
America wanted ISIS gone, but also (kind of) wanted Assad gone. Nobody else was having that. It's either oochie-wally or one mic.
Russia, Turkey, and Iran all had a very clear agenda when it came to Syria---defeat ISIS and put Assad back in power.
America wanted ISIS gone, but also (kind of) wanted Assad gone. Nobody else was having that. It's either oochie-wally or one mic.
Too bad its half true.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
@FAH1223 If this isn't a sectarian conflict at it's core, then why is the next leader of the Syrian Gov't going to be a Alawite according to what that article says? Why can't he be a Sunni and legitimize the government? Obviously there are deeper divisions along religious grounds that you've been ignoring. Simply to say that the rebels are from backwater country towns and the army/supporters are from the cities is not true at all. The entire Syrian Army numbers only 20 thousand men.
1. Wahhabi vs. All sects of Islam
2. Alwaites seem to showcase Arab Nationalism as their main priority and not religion.
3. The only divisions are those that the West has tried capitalizing on since the 1940's.
4. Do you know where the Rebels/Terrorists came from? I do...
Broke Wave
The GOAT
The Alawites are a small minority of the country. If they want to legitimize the Syrian Ba'athist regime, why wouldn't the put a Sunni in power? Especially if you guys have been saying all along that there is no sectarian issue when there clearly is. It's Naiive to think that the Russians and Iranians can just install another Alawite and the Syrian majority Sunni's are just going to be okay with it, especially after the radicalization they underwent over the last 5 years. And "Wahhabi" is not a sect of Islam whatsoever it's just a derogatory term used by non-arab's mostly anyway. Whoever is or Isn't a Wahhabi is defined by whoever is calling them that.
Trajan
Veteran
It's always been sectarian. Ever since the 1963 Coup when Alawite officers seized power and purged Sunnis.
Trajan
Veteran
All 5 members of the military council that ran Syria after the coup were Alawite...then replaced by other Alawites in a coup. Syria has been ruled by minority Alawites since shortly after independence.
I'm sure it's all a coincidence though
Broke Wave
The GOAT
I know that, but @FAH1223 lives in a fantasy world where "Assad is the only way to have peace" as if the people will support the Alawite regime without Iran and Russia occupying Syria for an extended period of time
1. Again I answered your first question already.
2. The West has meddled in Syria since the 1940's...who is cooking up beef?
3. What Radicalization over the 5 Years?
4.Wahhabism - Wikipedia .....
Stop playing dumb4A. Wahhabi is a self-made creation to control Islam sects and the very reason S.A. controls the Arab World. This is why U.S. and Europe support them.
Broke Wave
The GOAT
1. Again I answered your first question already.
2. The West has meddled in Syria since the 1940's...who is cooking up beef?
3. What Radicalization over the 5 Years?
4.Wahhabism - Wikipedia .....
4A. Wahhabi is a self-made creation to control Islam sects and the very reason S.A. controls the Arab World. This is why U.S. and Europe support them.
I know the West has been cooking up problems in the ME, this entire problem and almost all the problems in the ME are the fault of the U.S. and Europe.
There is clearly a radicalization in Syria and in Iraq that had occured over the last 5 years. I know you want to say 100% of ISIS and the more conservative religious rebels are a all from foriegn nations but that really is not the case.
As far as Wahhabism... it's not a sect of Islam. Click the link you posted and learn about the word. It is exactly as I said, a derogatory description
The best of the SAA is 20,000
But from all official counts it's over 150,000 paramilitary men
SAA in 2011 was 300,000
I've never denied the sectarian nature but the reason Assad is still standing is because of the Sunni business class. Without them he would have been gone two years ago.
The rebellions core strength is from the rural country side. The opposition was the strongest there because they have been forgotten. Obviously mostly Sunni.
The Alawi requirement for President sounds like
1- Iranian demand
2- Shades of Lebanon's civil war and political situation
Broke Wave
The GOAT
SAA in 2011 had desertions and defections so that number is irrelevent bro. Also, the 150 thousand in the SAA ... that's if your including the Shabiha and the militias... which are not even in the frontline fighting anyway. Not only that, they are almost 100% Alawite. They can't use the Syrian militias or Shabiha for offensive or even defensive operations, they're just rag tag groups of people who secure the already controlled cities and towns. Hardly worth considering.
Anyway, the Sunni business class being contrasted with the countryside is also a false dichotomy because you're comparing what could be hundreds of thousands of people in the "business class" section, and what could be millions of people in the "countryside" section. That means there are millions of Sunni's that resent Assad and the regime, this is a major problem.