Which Short character has taken more L's:Vegeta or Wolverine :Update Poll added

[Marc Spector]

Vegeta by a country mile.

Toriyama doesnt even like Vegeta. Prior to Super but after Frieza saga, Vegetas entire narrative purpose was to show that being a dikk can only get you to second place.

I think Toriyama realized how much of a following Vegeta has and is giving him some props currently in the Goku Black saga.

Meanwhile Wolverine has been nearly fellated by every major X-Men writer for close to 30 years. He easily was the most popular comic book character of the 90s, no contest. He wasn't even an original X-Man and is now the mascot for the entire x-franchise.

 

[Days of Future Piff]

And yet another fakkit trying to stan cyclops. You retards do understand that if cyclops ever really punched wolverine, he would break his godddamn hand right? And this is the problem with comics to begin with, cyclops is a normal human aside from his eye laser shyt. He has no enhanced physical abilities whatsoever, yet he is able to survive an enraged wolverine coming after him. That is bad writing. Wolverine is both enhanced physically AND arguably the greatest fighter in marvel. He can move faster than humans can register. Hate when writers do this stupid shyt. Written correctly, wolverine would kill cyclops within 30 seconds of getting within eyesight of him. That is just the way it is. Cyclops can do nothing to stop wolverine and wolverine can easily kill him. Post all the terrible scans you want of people who are too retarded to understand simple abc logic, it just makes you look stupid. That's like if i became a comic artist and made a comic of a third grader whooping hulk's ass. Well it counts because whoop dee doo, i'm a comic artist so what i say is gospel. This is the same shyt, and cyclops is the third grader.

So the two guys that wrote these are both bad writers now?

And the dude that wrote this is also a bad writer?

Wolverine in the Byrne/Claremont/Austin era and the Frank Miller miniseries >>>>>>>>>
He was great back when he was written by the people that knew what they were doing. (To be fair, most of the X-men got pretty badly messed over by subpar writing at some point, especially Scott with the editorial mandates surrounding early X-factor)

The problem is when all the stans who grew up in love with Wolverine as kids got old enough to write comics. They didn't realize what made the character work. They made him a boring invincible hero who could regenerate from atoms (Piccolo status). They demystified and watered down the character by shoehorning him into every other marvel comic out there, and overusing him in the movies, cartoons, etc. Telling tons of stupid stories that don't need to be told about his past when he's really the Raphael of this whole X-men business.

The people that understood the character got that he worked initially because he was an enigma. He was a walking noodle incident, you weren't supposed to know everything about him.
Wolverine's healing factor had limits, his temper got his teammates in trouble as often as it helped them, and they wouldn't even show you what happened to his opponents half the time, but you still KNEW they got murked. He was a cosmic-level trash-talker but got served up with the quickness whenever he stepped out of bounds.
He functions best as a side character who occasionally gets his shine in the limelight.

Making him the leader makes no sense because we all like Logan for being brash, crude, rude, a lone wolf, and unwilling to play by the rules.
You can't be those things when you're responsible for everybody's lives.

tl;dr- Wolverine was always Raphael status--an underdog. His fanboys (missing the point of the character) just got old enough to write comics and they went out of their way to god-mod Logan while nerfing all the rest of the characters. That's where all of this "invincible ninja who's trained in every martial art ever and can regenerate from one cell" business comes from.

(Also, the direct market led to more and more fanboy pandering at the expense of good writing. Comics were written less and less for general audiences as they stopped selling comics in places where general audiences hung out outside as specialty comic shops became a bigger deal.)

 

[The_Truth]

Vegeta is "Prince" of a race that is virtually extinct. He has no kingdom. He can't even move on to King. That's an eternal L.

 

[KravenMorehead™]

Wolverine lost every chick he ever fell in love with. nikka in bars every night gettin drunk and shyt

He was a ragdoll for a minute too

in his defense his Ls were written by different writers over the years tryna outdo themselves. Vegeta's Ls were written by one nikka

 

[parallax]

You mean the actual fukking leader of the X-Men. Tactical genius. and aka That Dude. cmon son. Cyke that nikka.

the same tactical genius that didnt have his daughter who was a phoenix host train the new host? who almost ended the world because of his own hubris? the same dude that got the one piece special from doom, going out like johnny cage in mk annihilation after thinking he was gonna save the world?

 

[Turk]

Vegeta easily

 

[SeveroDrgnfli]

Definitely Vegeta. Came to Earth talking that talk, got clapped up by Goku and ran back home in his space pod. Caught L's from Frieza on Namek. Got his arm cave in by 18 after talking that talk. Had to kill himself during the Buu saga. L after L after L

Definitely Vegeta. He got punked on multiple planets by multiple species. And his dad was being extorted and went out like a bytch. Frieza punked him, his dad, blew his fukking planet up, and did the Saiyan race like Columbus did the Taino people.

 

[iBrowse]

But who caught he bigger L?

Vegeta end of story.

 

[iBrowse]

Wolverine unleashing the claws on the X-Men cartoon only to get slapped or blasted away by a Sentinel every time was a censorship issue. Vegeta crying like a bytch as a hermaphrodite stood over him gloating was a character issue.

/thread

 

[iBrowse]

@The Grendel add a poll and update your title so everyone knows breh.

 

[Splash]

y'all wrong for this
That's the prince

 

[Black Trash!]

Wolverine knows what it's like to fight wars. he don't want that for those kids. He wants them.to learn and grow. Maybe become Avengers.

Wolverine killed a bunch his own Damn kids

 

[The Mad Titan]

Wolverine takes the L.
Logan was simping for Jean Grey.
Vegeta is the prince of all saiyans, landed Bulma, and made sure the legacy lived on.

He wifed a thot tho, and his arch rival has his seen wife naked, and had his wife "throw it at him" while dissing her to this day about her looks and body LOL

How you gonna be the prince of all sayian's prideful and come to earth and fall in love and wife up a dragon ball thot.



Vegeta got more in common with earthlings than he wants to admit.

 

[Neuromancer]

So the two guys that wrote these are both bad writers now?

And the dude that wrote this is also a bad writer?

tl;dr- Wolverine was always Raphael status--an underdog. His fanboys (missing the point of the character) just got old enough to write comics and they went out of their way to god-mod Logan while nerfing all the rest of the characters. That's where all of this "invincible ninja who's trained in every martial art ever and can regenerate from one cell" business comes from.

(Also, the direct market led to more and more fanboy pandering at the expense of good writing. Comics were written less and less for general audiences as they stopped selling comics in places where general audiences hung out outside as specialty comic shops became a bigger deal.)

You know damn well Clairemont lost his damn mind.

 

[Days of Future Piff]

You know damn well Clairemont lost his damn mind.

Not before John Byrne quit the book, he hadn't. Proteus, the Dark Phoenix Saga, and Days of Future Past are among the GOAT comic book stories in the history of the medium. Claremont didn't really fall off hard until after Paul Smith quit, IMO (or until Jean was brought back to life, at the latest). Whedon's Astonishing X-men is also one of the GOAT X-men stories.

On topic, I voted Vegeta. He was one of the GOAT characters up until after Namek, but after they beat Frieza, he was more trouble than he was worth and caused more problems than he actually fixed. Piccolo >>>>>