05' Steve Nash or 11'Derrick Rose?

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every point guard that has played for d'antoni has gotten his stats and productivity boosted. wasnt kendall marshall putting up double doubles last year? marion/amare/joe johnson on the same team all in their primes with that system? yea nash did it all for them
 

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every point guard that has played for d'antoni has
barbosa, diaw, bell, house, jackson, jones, stoudemire, marion, kurt thomas and tim thomas with d'antoni as coach. #1 in league in pts and pace and 28th/30th in team defense. that was 05-06

in 04-05 they had barbosa, jackson, joe johnson, marion, q rich and stoudemire. 1st in points and pace, last in defense. nash was 4th on his own team in PPG, barely above qrich. the poll being this close is sad

The Suns had more fore power and Bulls were more talented. They actually had rebounders and rebounder and players playing their actual position.
 

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They'd have zero chance against the Spurs. Rose would look worse than he did against the Heat.


how do u figure that? You think bruce bowen is going to be able to guard rose? :mjlol: not to mention he would have iso joe, stat, barbs, matrix instead of nikkas who can't score without him setting them up
 

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how do u figure that? You think bruce bowen is going to be able to guard rose? :mjlol: not to mention he would have iso joe, stat, barbs, matrix instead of nikkas who can't score without him setting them up


Rose gonna have to finish Duncan protecting the paint too. Ask LBJ if scoring on those Spurs back in the day was easy. The Heat had LeBron on Rose only on crunch time. Bowen gonna be on Rose all game and better than LeBron. On D
 

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Rose gonna have to finish Duncan protecting the paint too. Ask LBJ if scoring on those Spurs back in the day was easy. The Heat had LeBron on Rose only on crunch time. Bowen gonna be on Rose all game and better than LeBron. On D


again rose can defer to capable offensive players and pick and choose his spots. In dantoni's system he'd average 20-11 a game. Bowen isn't quick enough to stay with rose all game he's gonna tire out plus if he guards rose who's guarding iso joe?
 

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The Suns had more fore power and Bulls were more talented. They actually had rebounders and rebounder and players playing their actual position.

the bulls were not more talented. they had a far better coach and rose is better than nash. everything in PHX was set up for nash (and everyone else) to put him huge offensive numbers. you swap players for said teams and the bulls lose more games with nash than phx would with rose
 

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again rose can defer to capable offensive players and pick and choose his spots. In dantoni's system he'd average 20-11 a game. Bowen isn't quick enough to stay with rose all game he's gonna tire out plus if he guards rose who's guarding iso joe?

this thread is exposing lack of bball iq in people for real. as a celts fan i had disdain but respect for those bulls teams for the heated matches/rivalry...im not a rose fan by any means but anyone taking nash over rose in their mvp seasons are losing it or never had it
 

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how do u figure that? You think bruce bowen is going to be able to guard rose? :mjlol:
Without a doubt. Plus the Spurs team defense was great.

not to mention he would have iso joe, stat, barbs, matrix instead of nikkas who can't score without him setting them up

Rose was nowhere near the passer, shooter, or creator Nash was. You think Amare gets the same amount of points with Rose in the pick and roll :usure:


Rose couldn't do anything against the Heat in 2011. It had nothing to do with how his teammates played. He's the one with the ball most of the time.


You guys act like teammates made Nash baffle me.
 

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Without a doubt. Plus the Spurs team defense was great.



Rose was nowhere near the passer, shooter, or creator Nash was. You think Amare gets the same amount of points with Rose in the pick and roll :usure:


Rose couldn't do anything against the Heat in 2011. It had nothing to do with how his teammates played. He's the one with the ball most of the time.

Rose would be in the lane at will against the spurs, there's no way bowen is guarding him without a double, and if they double rose is passing it to shooters who all shoot over 40% from 3 plus amare in the middle.

The heat basically shifted the entire defense on rose especially in the 4th quarter. He would beat lebron and have nikkas in the paint waiting forcing him to kick it to bogans, cj watson, deng, etc.. guys who aren't capable of creating their offense and not great shooters either.

If the bulls had 05 amare instead of 11 boozer we beat miami.

if nash was only the 2011 bulls we would only win 45 games
 

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the bulls were not more talented. they had a far better coach and rose is better than nash. everything in PHX was set up for nash (and everyone else) to put him huge offensive numbers. you swap players for said teams and the bulls lose more games with nash than phx would with rose

The bulls cast covered more attributes. The bulls without Rose >>>> Suns without Nash

Its more to the NBA than scoring.
 

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Rose would be in the lane at will against the spurs, there's no way bowen is guarding him without a double, and if they double rose is passing it to shooters who all shoot over 40% from 3 plus amare in the middle.

The heat basically shifted the entire defense on rose especially in the 4th quarter. He would beat lebron and have nikkas in the paint waiting forcing him to kick it to bogans, cj watson, deng, etc.. guys who aren't capable of creating their offense and not great shooters either.

If the bulls had 05 amare instead of 11 boozer we beat miami.

if nash was only the 2011 bulls we would only win 45 games

Bowen >>> LeBron on D

If the heat stop Rose then a team with better defenders wouldn't?
 

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Bowen >>> LeBron on D

If the heat stop Rose then a team with better defenders wouldn't?


again the difference in offensive personnel means the spurs couldn't guard rose like the heat did because phoenix has capable offensive threats the bulls don't



iso joe, matrix, stat, >>>>>>> bogans, deng, boozer by a country mile offensively
 

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Rose would be in the lane at will against the spurs, there's no way bowen is guarding him without a double, and if they double rose is passing it to shooters who all shoot over 40% from 3 plus amare in the middle.

The heat basically shifted the entire defense on rose especially in the 4th quarter. He would beat lebron and have nikkas in the paint waiting forcing him to kick it to bogans, cj watson, deng, etc.. guys who aren't capable of creating their offense and not great shooters either.

If the bulls had 05 amare instead of 11 boozer we beat miami.

If nash was only the 2011 bulls we would only win 45 games
Or Nash turns boozer into the pick and roll player he was in Utah. :yeshrug:Boozer wasn't used properly at all there.


Rose struggled throughout the games, not just the 4th quarters. He shot 35% for the series. He had games like 8 for 27, and 9 for 29 :ohdear:
 
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