DonFrancisco
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Both were the engine that ran their teams. For now I lean towards Nash but that is because I like pure PG more. You can easily make the argument for Rose and it would be understandable. 
05' Steve Nash or 11'Derrick Rose?
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A lot of people like to discredit Rose's MVP season, completely forgetting that Boozer missed a bunch of games at the beginning of the season, and Noah also missed a bunch of games. Rose is the reason the Bulls had the best record that season. He singlehandedly won games for them. The only players who started all 82 games for the Bulls that season was Keith Bogans and Luol Deng (Rose played 81).
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Nash and it's not close
Forgot the passing, his FT% and jumper was wet
Problem for Nash was he ran into us in 05 and 07 :spurs:
Forgot the passing, his FT% and jumper was wet
Problem for Nash was he ran into us in 05 and 07 :spurs:
I voted Rose but this is true
derrick rose could actually defend tony parker though
when the suns traded for shaq it exposed the holes in nash's game. in the 2007-2008 playoffs vs the spurs when phoenix couldnt run a spread option:
tony parker averaged 30 points and 7 assists on 52% shooting
nash averaged 16 points and 8 assists on 46% shooting
compare that to nash's stats vs the spurs using a spread offense
put rose on a team with 4 other scoring threats and
rose
whats funny is that all the spurs did was spread the floor and run pick and rolls that series...you see the numbers parker put up. imagine what rose would do.
ManBearPig
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Boozer actually played pretty well in the regular season that year. They were 47-12 in the games he played in. The Bulls were actually better with Boozer and Kurt Thomas playing together than Boozer and Noah. That was what kind of hurt the Bulls is that Joakim Noah and Carlos Boozer never developed chemistry together since Boozer was hurt at the beginning of the season and Noah got hut once Boozer got back that whole season.
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ManBearPig
half man half bearpig
Rose was just like iverson who could jump 50 feet and a decent coach
I doubt Rose is stopping Parker. Rose has barely had to defend any good guards in the playoffs. In '09 Rondo averaged nearly a triple double that series. And in '11 Teague averaged 14 on 53%. So what will make a prime Parker do worse? rose isnt a stopper.derrick rose could actually defend tony parker though
when the suns traded for shaq it exposed the holes in nash's game. in the 2007-2008 playoffs vs the spurs when phoenix couldnt run a spread option:
tony parker averaged 30 points and 7 assists on 52% shooting
nash averaged 16 points and 8 assists on 46% shooting
compare that to nash's stats vs the spurs using a spread offense
put rose on a team with 4 other scoring threats and
rose
whats funny is that all the spurs did was spread the floor and run pick and rolls that series...you see the numbers parker put up. imagine what rose would do.
Kill Dat Noize
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How did joe johnson and quentin richardson do in that offense? Theyre not streaky players though right?
And more of what im saying is that Nash would have done WORSE with the Bulls. Especially in comparison to Rose on the Suns. Maybe they both would have been worse...but Nash would fall off further. Don't you think the lack of Rose APG could be from LOOKING TO SCORE MORE? Because he had LESS OPTIONS? 2004-2005 Nash scored 900 less points than 2010-2011 Rose
And i think everyone is really forgetting how bad on defense Nash was/is. That wasn't just D'Antoni's system. He couldnt d up in general, anywhere. Gentry essentially kept D'Antoni's system on offense and Don Nelson in Dallas was pretty much just as run n gun as PHX. Those 2 coaches had the most offensive and fast paced systems out of all the coaches then for the most part.
They were streaky players but Nash is able to set them for extremely easy looks and he's such a great scorer overall that he's a constant threat off the ball so it helped their offense completely.
Rose isn't nearly the shooting threat Nash is. Again, Nash could easily drop 22-24 a game on Rose's effeciency. He did it in the playoffs and he kept his freakishly high shooting percentages, he just prefers to pass more.
Nash, on the Bulls, would be fine. You give him shooters like Korver, PnR players like Boozer, great cutters and passers like Deng, and you got little problem. He'd rack up assists in no time.
SwagKingKong
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This has to be a joke thread.. Nash and it's not particularly close.
He's one of the greatest offensive players of all-time.. He's lead the best offense of all-time and not to mention several other top 10 offenses of all-time. His impact was massive during his prime / peak. Rose is perhaps, the worst MVP of all-time.
He's one of the greatest offensive players of all-time.. He's lead the best offense of all-time and not to mention several other top 10 offenses of all-time. His impact was massive during his prime / peak. Rose is perhaps, the worst MVP of all-time.
Rose. He played with the shooting guard combo of Bogans/Brewer and no shot creator whatsoever