$15 Minimum Wage is KILLING Seattle.

[KinksandCoils]

I wouldn't encourage that lifestyle, but if you're telling me one person can't provide for themselves off one fulltime min wage job then I'm calling bullshyt. It wouldn't be extravagant but you should be able to provide food, shelter and transportation for yourself.

People get caught up in their wants and trying to live above their means, no matter how big/small more than anything.

If someone is in that position where they "can't" you'd have to seriously look at how they spend their income.

min wage varies from state to state but the national min wage is 7.25. People who make way more than that are struggling, you would have to be damn near retarded to think a person making only 7.25 an hr. isn't struggling. How old are you

 

[Lakers Offseason]

yeah just like there are some kids starving in some 3rd world country wishing they could be in a completely unsafe garment factory working 16 hour shifts everyday without a toilet to piss in and with no emergency exits(one way in, one way out), getting paid 5 cents per day. those people weill be begging for jobs to. does that mean the way it is, is the proper way to treat people? HELL NO. so lets get off of this mentality above

So you'd rather the business owners keep the shop open and go in debt? How much debt should they accumulate before it's okay for them to close shop?

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

They rather close up shop than give their workers a livable wage? Our country is fukked.

 

[5n0man]

In the UK, there is a movement to change the minimum wage,to a liveable one, and unusally despite my right wing beliefs I agree with it. Because over here we have a situation where the minimum wage has not kept pace with cost of living, and so the government are having to subsidise working people through welfare. That is unacceptable, and I can't understand why any conservative person should support that state of affairs, because it makes more people dependent on the government ,and encourages a welfare culture ,that in my view is unhelpful for society. It also annoys me,that the government are effectively not only subsidising employees but these employers ,through tax payers money in the welfare budget.

The welfare budget should only be for those who are unable to work. due to sickness, age or on a temporary basis due to losing your job. The fact,that cost of living has overtook the minimum wage here, is one of the reasons why the welfare budget has continued to skyrocket, despite having a so called conservative Prime Minister. Everyone man and woman should get a good enough wage to support their families, without having to rely on government handouts or charity. There are working people using foodbanks in my country. Not acceptable.

This is basically what's happening here.
but over here we sympathize with businesses and blame the working class for the woes of mom and pop shops.

 

[Based Lord Zedd]

min wage varies from state to state but the national min wage is 7.25. People who make way more than that are struggling, you would have to be damn near retarded to think a person making only 7.25 an hr. isn't struggling. How old are you

I didn't say people making 7.25 an hour aren't struggling. So I don't know who you are arguing with.
If you make the minimum ofc you are going to struggle. The minimum should only allow you to barely make it.
It doesn't take much "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" to get past min wage.
My point is that they can provide for themselves, not that they are going to enjoy living that way.
I have 0 compassion for any adult who chooses to work a min wage job as their sole source of income.

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

How? Generally once jobs leave a region they don't come back- there are plenty of examples of this around the country

Because other restaurants could get busy and require to hire more cooks and servers. Losing out on 5-10 serving jobs because 2-3 restaurants are closing really isn't as big of a deal as some of you are making it. Those people who do stay around that will be making more will definitely spend more. The more money spent in the area, the more the businesses do well as a whole. A rising tide lifts all boats.

The logic behind raising it is if someone is only making 7 bucks an hour most of that money is going to go to the super market, the gas station, and rent. It leaves very little money to have nice dinners, see shows, buy clothes, attend concerts, etc. The economy grows when many people are spending at once.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Garbage reporting. The hike hasn't occurred as is meant to be gradual. These businesses just failed. Failed journalism and sensationalism

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

It doesn't matter if its low skilled... Labor output has value relative to the industry...period......except when it comes to the biggest employers in America.

Their game is so strong, they even got cats who aint got 2 nickels to rub together championing their ideologies for them like they to are gonna become billionaire owners one day....

Minimum wage was livable until the 80s..... 40% of the population is not gonna finish any type of trade school or post secondary education... so where are they gonna work?

Let me tell you where....the food service industry..whether its fast food or a restaurant that relies on tips...



In the 50s 60s 70s and some of the 80s, you could hit the factory\plant\warehouse\ right after high school and end up with a decent retirement and a lil cheddar to help your kids through college....

Explained to me what happened to those jobs and why 10s of millions of people don't deserve a livable wage cause you consider call center skills> than fast food customer service skills.....?

Any cat with a lil hustle sense can see that you need people that ask you do you want fries with that for this current economic model to remain sustainable....but if people in the service\retail industry can't get a livable wage, then the whole model gets turned on its ear and not even your lil help desk job is gonna paying worth a damn...

Trust me

In the 50s/60s the US had no global competition. Asia, Europe, Mexico etc were not a factor. Not to mention here most good jobs were only reserved for white people. It's a totally different environment.

Because other restaurants could get busy and require to hire more cooks and servers. Losing out on 5-10 serving jobs because 2-3 restaurants are closing really isn't as big of a deal as some of you are making it. Those people who do stay around that will be making more will definitely spend more. The more money spent in the area, the more the businesses do well as a whole. A rising tide lifts all boats.

The logic behind raising it is if someone is only making 7 bucks an hour most of that money is going to go to the super market, the gas station, and rent. It leaves very little money to have nice dinners, see shows, buy clothes, attend concerts, etc. The economy grows when many people are spending at once.

Yea but those other restaurants will have to raise their prices to pay the higher wages. So less people will be able to afford to eat out, especially if their hours get cut at their other jobs. This doesn't end with restaurants, and when you look at the whole picture its a net loss.

This isn't even factoring automation. Fast food companies are already working on kitchen machines. Higher minimum wage will just make those machines that much more attractive.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

LOL. Word.

For all the "its a math problem" people, they need to calculate real wages from 30-50 years ago...adjust for inflation and figure out what it is now, versus what it should be compared to how the average worker was incorporated into the economy in generations past.

At some point the American economy will acknowledge reality (that Reagaonomics was a harmful handout to the rich) and start including its workers into some semblance of distribution of profits and revenue. For the past 30 years our economy has been all about wage suppression, first, second, and last on the agenda and the results have been devastating for the middle class and under.

Even moderately conservative economists are concerned about the trajectories of an economy where 95% of the economic gains continue to go to the top 1% year after year...we cant sustain ourselves like this. Thats fukkin insanity!!!!

Businesses fail because of a lack of an overall lack of demand...not because they have to pay their workers a few extra bucks. They're just hoarding profits there...Businesses are concerned about a lack of consumptive power and activity from the actors in their community which is the driver of an economy..

When historians and academics look back at this generation and wonder how people could accept such dramatic and prolonged wage inequality, they'll probably pin point a stockholm syndrome/self loathing psychology as the culprit (look how so many top economies around the world have free health care and reasonable wage inequality)...We are hypnotized by the rich in America and have bought their propaganda that we are beneath them and a bane of their existence. We should take whatever they want to give us, and not say a word.

Think of our economy like hip hop where rappers taunt and belittle the listeners and brag about a life the fan will never live, and how they will always take our bytch at their leisure...its a relationship of sadomasochism. Thats a macro version of the American economy.

Dont even consider leveraging our labor, effort, and contributions to insure the best for our family. Thats "unamerican". We dont have an economy based on logic...its based on punishment and centered on class, race, gender. Instead of the S&P it should be the S&N...sadists and narcissists.

Going back to the stockholm syndrome angle....the historians will ultimately conclude that like submissive societies before us, we were complicit in the culture where we enforced our own enslavement. Everyday you see middle and working class conservatives doing the bidding for the 1% and their interests...nonsensically fighting their battles. Assuming their rhetoric...The slavemaster doesnt have to lift a finger. We as a society do all the work for him.

Bring the fukking rep system back so I can give this breh the props he deserves

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Yea but those other restaurants will have to raise their prices to pay the higher wages. So less people will be able to afford to eat out, especially if their hours get cut at their other jobs. This doesn't end with restaurants, and when you look at the whole picture its a net loss.

This isn't even factoring automation. Fast food companies are already working on kitchen machines. Higher minimum wage will just make those machines that much more attractive.

That's not always true as far as the raising of prices goes. If you sell more goods/services than you were before you can cover those costs.

 

[Hijo de luna]

Reading through the comments in this thread only confirms my assertion that our education of economics must precede any talks of black entrepreneurship on a large scale

 

[the cac mamba]

Bring the fukking rep system back so I can give this breh the props he deserves

i keep reaching for the rep button and it isnt there

those fags who complained about it should be banned

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

That's not always true as far as the raising of prices goes. If you sell more goods/services than you were before you can cover those costs.

U are putting the cart before the horse. How will raising minimum wage enable people to buy more if it costs people their jobs and businesses?

 

[Doin2Much Williams]

This is what happens when salary/wage increases remain stagnant or minimal while the cost of living and Inflation doing 20 over the speed limit.

simple, yet profound.


plat post, my chap.


Real trap.


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[CashmereThoughts]

They rather close up shop than give their workers a livable wage? Our country is fukked.

yes because every business can afford to give all their employees a massive raise over night, their all doing well enough to do so