San Quentin, Pelican Bay and Angola might as well be..American prison is hell on earth?
15 year old who shot Brian Robinson also pleads guilty to killing a 15 year old a few weeks later
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Nah charge the parents with the same crime as the kid till people wake the duck up.
RadaMillz
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'pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter in that case'
he killed another kid and gets hit with a manslaughter???
he killed another kid and gets hit with a manslaughter???
FukkaPaidEmail
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Charging parents won’t do anything because at that age kids that are on that type of shyt are going to do what they want (hell before that age ). No amount of parental influence is going to stop them because their peers are far more influential. So if they want to gun a nikka down they’ll do it and whoever their guardian is just gonna have to eat it . Also charging a parent because one of their 4 kids is a maniac does nothing but rob the other normal kids of a parent.
The law needs to crack these nikkas heads while (more) preventive services are created to try to curb unlawful behavior.
One without the other will not work.
The law needs to crack these nikkas heads while (more) preventive services are created to try to curb unlawful behavior.
One without the other will not work.
bruh some folks don't even know what classes their kid is taking that year. don't know why their kid comes home bruised up and don't follow up. don't ask where their middle school kid is getting cash and spending money from.
they don't even try lol. this not a collection of good parents doing all they can for their kids - its grown ass kids raising actual children.
the lack of accountability for one generation has created a carnival act for the next.
murksiderock
Superstar
No...
There should be an abolishment of sentencing teenagers as adults. It's ridiculous, I understand it never will happen, but it 'should'...
If that isn't an even an option to sentence kids as adults, there would be a true juvenile punishment code. I don't think any teenager deserves more than 20 years for any crime whatsoever, I don't care what they've done. I've seen all the crimes they can do, it doesn't matter. I hate that we throw these guys away, if all the "experts" can acknowledge that a child's brain isn't even fully developed then why is it okay to criminalize them as if it is?
So I'm in favore of sentencing them under strict juvenile punishments, 20-year maxes, and varying lengths of parole after, that fit the crime. Alot of these crimes they don't need prison for, and juvenile detention centers should be extended to house guys until maybe 20 years old. Functionally ain't no difference between a 17 and 18 year old anyway so I've always disliked this arbitrary "18 is an adult" marker, but I've seen guys as young as 13 charged as an adult so even that 18 line is untruthful, they not going by that shyt anyway...
I never went to a juvenile center but from my understanding they aren't flush with resources anyway, I do think there's basic "school" but you can do that in many jails and prisons, it ain't special. Juvenile housing for guys charged and convicted as juveniles, up to age 20, should have sophisticated counseling and education services, moreso than adult jails and prisons. Not the bare minimum programs, emotionally and societally we're framing them as adult or career criminals anyway jailing them with substandard programs...
This imaginary system I'm proposing would let guys know that once you've completed whatever sentence you have, any further crimes you'd be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But while in an honest and transparent juvenile justice system, there'd be way more effort to helping steer these kids towards a different path...
This is a fact, those impulse issues aren't going to regress by charging, convicting, and housing him as an adult. But I do know a 15-year old with impulse issues is more prone to mature out of them than a 30-year old with impulse issue because the 15-year old is still evolving, developmentally. They are still evolving physically. They are still evolving mentally and emotionally...
I don't know why this is always omitted when we discuss juvenile crime...
Ain't no gotdamn 15-year old "too far gone". Truth, a parent(s) may not have the skills or resources to rear a reeling 15-year old. The states and certainly the federal government does but they don't deploy them to 15-year olds like him. So again everybody with influence to help has this "he's too far gone" and we throw these guys away and expect them to rehabilitate themselves. Grown ass men rarely rehabilitate themselves, why the fukk do we think kids should be able to?
I was charged as an adult at 16 and 17, sent to prison at 17. I had one hearing to decide if I would be charged as a juvenile and it was an emphatic no because "the nature of my crimes". Hearing lasted all of 5 minutes. And the crimes I went up for were stolen cars and burglaries...
I've told this before, I was on a careening path regardless so I'm not positive if "I" would have benefitted from a full and complete juvenile system, because of where I was at the time, but thay doesnt mean others wouldnt have. The point is that option was taken off the table completely. It shouldn't be optional. I was 16 and 17. I was literally a minor, a child...
Even if I'd been charged and convicted as a juvenile the "juvenile justice system" is nowhere near as philanthropic as it could be...
I got to meet many kids along the way who were teenage criminals, and we were housed with adults. In county, and in prison. So we were influenced by older criminals. Guys who were criminalized as adults as young as 13 I knew personally, living with them day after day. No teenage criminal is "too far gone" until the criminalization process of these kids is allowed to fully anchor itself and muhfukkas can have their gotcha, I told you so moment...
That's the problem though, bro. The patience was fleeting in the first place. It's never been about truly rehabilitating teenage criminals...
murksiderock
Superstar
You do know convictions are based on what the state can prove, right? And we don't know the circumstances of that murder in any transparent detail because we don't have the discovery and obviously we weren't there...
There's no way I could begin to remember all the teenage murderers I knew but here's a handful. All these guys are around my age and we were teenage convicts at the same time in the mid-00s:
•gang member who at 16 caught two rivals (one girl, one guy, both were gang affiliated I'm their early 20s) at a Rite Aid, killed the guy and paralyzed the girl;
•15 or 16, stabbed this dude to death in a fight, actually I knew him outside, he never got caught for this crime;
•16, went with three other guys (who were all like 19 to 23) to rob a convenient store. One of his boys pulled out at the counter, the clerk pulled out and shot him (he survived), the 16 year old started shooting at the clerk and killed him;
•17 year old brawl at a party turned into a beating to death and multiple people shot;
•15 year old killed an adult he was beefing with in a broad daylight shooting at a traffic light, walked up to his car;
•I knew the guys who killed Chris Paul's grandfather, I knew three of them anyway, I think there were 5 of them;
•13 year old who raped and stabbed to death his elderly neighbor;
This is just who I could recall off the top. I'm 33 now, it's literally impossible to remember every teenage murderer I met. Oftentimes these guys aren't even the worst of the worst among teenage criminals...
"Crack these nikkas heads" isn't working. They been cracking they heads...
This is all fact. There's a network of symptoms that brought this boy to where he is now. I do agree that you can't charge the parents, I don't support that. But these parents often are not responsible and involved in their children's lives, this has become even more clear to me since I've started my own parenting journey...
get these nets
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@murksiderock
Those are the parents of the man this teen robbed, shot, and left for dead.
He might have a young child now, also.
They would still be mourning his death, if it weren't for extreme luck and miraculous recovery.
That man and his family are the victims, not the lowlife that shot him.
Those are the parents of the man this teen robbed, shot, and left for dead.
He might have a young child now, also.
They would still be mourning his death, if it weren't for extreme luck and miraculous recovery.
That man and his family are the victims, not the lowlife that shot him.
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Get your kids in order
murksiderock
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@murksiderock
Those are the parents of the man this teen robbed, shot, and left for dead.
He might have a young child now, also.
They would still be mourning his death, if it weren't for extreme luck and miraculous recovery.
That man and his family are the victims, not the lowlife that shot him.
The shooter is 15, not 27. He and Brian Robinson are both victims. I'm not criminalizing a 15-year old as a hardened criminal. He just isn't...
get these nets
Veteran
Guy who pulled the trigger to murder a man during a carjacking is not a victim
The Villain
Superstar
Lock these demons up 
Sadbrownsfan
All Star
Nice police work. Have this kid on camera shooting and NFL player, blows up and become a national story, let the kid roam the streets for a month and kill another kid.
mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
You wasting your time with @get these nets . He is a police officer. He been proven wrong consistently on the topic of criminal justice but he will still argue the same because he is a police officer.
murksiderock
Superstar
He's not a "guy". He's 15 years old. He's a boy and he's absolutely a victim but we can agree to disagree...
No doubt, duly noted!
