2 Pac vs Kanye West (Poll)

[Jone2three45]

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[Jone2three45]

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[blackslash]

Go take your ass home somewhere

Go outside right now..ask a 20 something year old who's black who his GOAT is

WHen he says Pac

Ask him to name 20 Pac songs

 

[nineteeneightysix]

Excellent post sir!

Thanks...

 

[Jone2three45]

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[nineteeneightysix]

Go outside right now..ask a 20 something year old who's black who his GOAT is
WHen he says Pac
Ask him to name 20 Pac songs

Even if he/she can't name 20 Pac songs, all it means is that 2Pac had a tremendous impact on the game...

There are people out there who believe Bob Marley is the GOAT reggae artist, and the only Bob Marley song they know is "Jamming"...hahaha...

But I believe that Bob Marley was not only top 5 in ALL music genres, but he was a "prophet," even though I am not Rasta, and I don't smoke weed...

It's called IMPACT, when people recognize your history, even though they are not experts in your work...

 

[blackslash]

So far, all we have been stating is based on opinion...

Lets look at the facts...2Pac is Top 5 best selling rap artist...2Pac is respected by other rappers...Most of the top rappers in the game have shown respect to Pac as a rapper, they may not like him as person, but they have given him his dues as rapper...

So the facts are
(1) Pac sold a sh+t load of records...It doesn't matter if he did it after he died...In fact, that only elevates his legendary status, because other so called better dead rappers were out sold by 2Pac...Look at Pac's singles...Barely any "club/dance songs"...He sold albums tackling real issues...He sold albums using producers nobody had ever heard of...

(2) Pac the rapper is respected by most of his peers (the relevant ones)...They have all shown an appreciations for his ability to transmit his message to the listener..A skill that 90% of all rappers lack...

(3) You say that you "vividly remember 7 year olds screamin Pac as GOAT"...And this statement is testament to 2Pac's LEGENDARY status...When you have babes professing that you are GOAT, that means you REALLY had an impact on not only the game, but the entire culture...

Let me give you an example, I was in South Africa when Michael Jordan was wrecking the NBA...In South Africa we didn't get NBA games, the best we got was "Inside NBA" (I think) with Rashad Ahmad...And yet you had little boys screaming that "Michael Jordan is GOAT" even though they NEVER watched a full NBA game..

That's IMPACT...

So, how is it ridiculous for people to state that a rapper who (1) sold a boat load of records (2) was respected by the rappers in the game (3) made an everlasting impact on the culture in only 5 years of activity (4) is constantly used as a point of comparison, is the GOAT...

It's one thing to believe that Jay Z, Kanye or any other rapper is better than 2Pac, but it's another to start saying that if you think 2Pac is better than you are a product of mainstream brainwashing...

That statement is even MORE RIDICULOUS when it comes from Jay Z fans, especially when you consider that Jay Z was IRRELEVANT in 96 when the RapTitans were going at it, and all of sudden, 2001 comes around, the "Takeover" drops, and "Reasonable Doubt" becomes a certified Hip Hop classic...

hahahahahahahaha...How? when the album had ZERO impact on the game...How many little Jay Z popped up the day after "Reasonable Doubt" dropped..?

Let us be honest, Chief Keefs "Don't like" single and "Bang" Mixtape, had BIGGER impacts on the game than "Reasonable Doubt"...This statement does not mean that Chief Keef is better than Jay Z...It is just to show an example of what I am talking about when I say "impact"...Of course, Jay Z's later impact on the game (after Reasonable Doubt) is astronomically more significant...

Talk about mainstream brainwashing...

Jay wasnt irrelevant in 96


my big bruh who wasnt a huge fan of 90's rap even owned Reasonable Doubt before I even knew who Jay Z was.....

But thats besides the point

Point is ur bringing up numbers and all dat sht only proving my point

These 90's babies and alot of these other mufckaz only put Pac in GOAT levels only cuz of the marty impact his death left..

People who never even heard a Pac album were parroting the heavily pushed opinion of Pac being GOAT

It is what it is

WHich is why I can almost gurantee that half the people that put Pac in they GOAT list dont even listen to Pac more than they listen to Kanye West..

Half of the people who put Pac in they GOAT list seem to know more about Pac's "ressurection"() than they do his discography

Like I said..conduct the experiment urself......

Find a 20 something year old black male or female...ask them for their GOAT rap artist..watch em say Pac..then after that demand for atleast 20 Pac songs...and watch em go blank

 

[Jax]

I could name 20 ye songs faster doe

 

[Jone2three45]

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[Jone2three45]

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[blackslash]

How about this, why don't you go ask black people born in the 60's, 70's and 80's who lived to see the birth of Hip-Hop to what it is now and ask them who their favorite rapper is. I bet most will say 2Pac, It won't be Ye, Jay, Wayne, Em, Drake or whoever I can def tell you that.

I'm done debating hip-hop with kids born in the 90's and 00's, why don't you go download some music or something.

Im an adult and most adult Nas stans would agree that most Pac stans are fatherless children who make superman jesus out of a romanticized image of a rapper

Go peep that Stan build and destroy thread

 

[Jone2three45]

Im an adult and most adult Nas stans would agree that most Pac stans are fatherless children who make superman jesus out of a romanticized image of a rapper

Go peep that Stan build and destroy thread

NaS father was a rolling stone just like Pac's.

NaS called Pac Jesus himself.

With that being said I de-check your deposit.

 

[blackslash]

NaS father was a rolling stone just like Pac's.

NaS called Pac Jesus himself.

With that being said I de-check your deposit.

I said Nas stans not Nas

 

[Jone2three45]

I said Nas stans not Nas

This has nothing to do with NaS stans, this deals between you vs. fans of 2Pac

 

[The Ruler 09]

Even if he/she can't name 20 Pac songs, all it means is that 2Pac had a tremendous impact on the game...

There are people out there who believe Bob Marley is the GOAT reggae artist, and the only Bob Marley song they know is "Jamming"...hahaha...

But I believe that Bob Marley was not only top 5 in ALL music genres, but he was a "prophet," even though I am not Rasta, and I don't smoke weed...

It's called IMPACT, when people recognize your history, even though they are not experts in your work...

Bob Marley, KRS and Pac all in a similar vein. Big up all. Agree Bob was a prophet also.