2016 HL WPOY Nomination Thread

[tru_m.a.c]

I've seen some terrible posting in my day, but this cat took the baton and went Jesse Owens on us. Regardless of whatever else happens by the end of the year, let it be known that this is my WPOY Nominee

The majority of minim wage workers are kids just entering the workforce with no work experience or skills.

I don't think employment has anything to do with economic growth, its simply employment. Serving a market need that was underserved or opening a new market would lead to economic growth.

That said on the basic level of the usefulness of the minimum wage , your argument is lacking.

If no one will take a 3 dollar salary then its pointless to have a minium wage since the market itself will find the equilibrium to whats an accepted price for a position, correct?

If McDonalds is able to still get workers paying 4.75 what does it matter? Obviously the people who work there are choosing to work there, they aren't being made to work against their will, so what is the problem?

Minimum wage being what it ist , people are not allowed to take a 3 dollar an hour job. They are refused the opportunity to entertain the thought.

Actually we don't know that no one is willing, because it isn't a option.

 

[David_TheMan]

Call yourself a man, and get on a internet board and make threads like a chatty patty.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

The worst parts of those responses is that it seems like he didn't even really think about what he was saying. That's the problem with those types, they don't really think of what kind of environment that those kinds of ideas would yield.

It's why I always advocate that people minor in business in college because even if you don't have a desire to work in the corporate world or a business environment, you'll get a good understanding of how the world works with respect to business. And what does that entail? Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Economics. Simple shyt but really it's A LOT if you live in a Capitalist society. You could take the intro level classes for those 4 topics and come to the realization of how stupid those quoted posts are.

You can tell dude doesn't really understand business or capitalism, nor does he have a grasp on history in this country. That's the only way you could truly come up with answers like that.

The FIRST thing they teach you in Business 101: The purpose of a business is to maximize profit for its shareholders.

That's it. They have no other obligations barring government or state intervention.

And in a well constructed curricuulm, by the time he got up and went to his Accounting class, he would perhaps watch some of a film called "The Smartest Guys In the Room" in order to see just what happens when businesses are given free reign to do as they please without proper oversight or regulation.

But you see I can tell...just off the responses, that's not what dude is on...he just Googled some shyt that solidified his point and didn't do the critical thinking require to really validate those kinds of ideas.

And I'm finding that that shyt is a reoccurring theme with the Liberterian types man the shyt is really doing a disservice to their entire platform.

 

[SirReginald]

Call yourself a man, and get on a internet board and make threads like a chatty patty.

 

[David_TheMan]

The worst parts of those responses is that it seems like he didn't even really think about what he was saying. That's the problem with those types, they don't really think of what kind of environment that those kinds of ideas would yield.

It's why I always advocate that people minor in business in college because even if you don't have a desire to work in the corporate world or a business environment, you'll get a good understanding of how the world works with respect to business. And what does that entail? Marketing, Finance, Accounting, Economics. Simple shyt but really it's A LOT if you live in a Capitalist society. You could take the intro level classes for those 4 topics and come to the realization of how stupid those quoted posts are.

You can tell dude doesn't really understand business or capitalism, nor does he have a grasp on history in this country. That's the only way you could truly come up with answers like that.

The FIRST thing they teach you in Business 101: The purpose of a business is to maximize profit for its shareholders.

That's it. They have no other obligations barring government or state intervention.

And in a well constructed curricuulm, by the time he got up and went to his Accounting class, he would perhaps watch some of a film called "The Smartest Guys In the Room" in order to see just what happens when businesses are given free reign to do as they please without proper oversight or regulation.

But you see I can tell...just off the responses, that's not what dude is on...he just Googled some shyt that solidified his point and didn't do the critical thinking require to really validate those kinds of ideas.

And I'm finding that that shyt is a reoccurring theme with the Liberterian types man the shyt is really doing a disservice to their entire platform.

Funny I have a business graduate degree and years working in the US workforce at a pretty good level.
But you think I have no understanding because I don't agree with your proven incorrect economic fantasies.

Like I said in the other thread, come at me like a man, present your stance and support it like I do mine, and even if we disagree we disagree like men.

This is pathetic though, you can't address me, so you make a thread about how much you dislike me and hope and prey that you can get some people who agree and you can all pat yourself on the back.
its sad and its bytchlike.

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Funny I have a business graduate degree and years working in the US workforce at a pretty good level.
But you think I have no understanding because I don't agree with your proven incorrect economic fantasies.

Like I said in the other thread, come at me like a man, present your stance and support it like I do mine, and even if we disagree we disagree like men.

This is pathetic though, you can't address me, so you make a thread about how much you dislike me and hope and prey that you can get some people who agree and you can all pat yourself on the back.
its sad and its bytchlike.

As do I friend

And having said that I question what exactly the fukk you studied and where at that allows you to come up with the shyt that you posted in the other thread. Because exactly what I said is irrefutable, there's no possible way you studied business, are a grown adult, and came up with the shyt you posted in that other thread because it defies the logic of most of the shyt that one would learn in rudimentary businesses courses.

And LOL...there's plenty of people who already shytted on you and invalidated your copypasta in that very thread.

This thread is completely different and is the first step on your road to WPOY so enjoy

 

[BaggerofTea]

Why do you think I don't argue with this fool?

I don't think employment has anything to do with economic growth, its simply employment. Serving a market need that was underserved or opening a new market would lead to economic growth.

Thats all that needs to be said

 

[David_TheMan]

As do I friend

And having said that I question what exactly the fukk you studied and where at that allows you to come up with the shyt that you posted in the other thread. Because exactly what I said is irrefutable, there's no possible way you studied business, are a grown adult, and came up with the shyt you posted in that other thread because it defies the logic of most of the shyt that one would learn in rudimentary businesses courses.

And LOL...there's plenty of people who already shytted on you and invalidated your copypasta in that very thread. This thread is completely different and is the first step on your road to WPOY so enjoy.

I find it odd that you claim to know about economics, but you don't know my stance is pretty basic austrian school economics.
What you said isn't irrefutable, its your opinion. Simple as that, and if you want to argue in depth about what I said in that thread, take it in that thread and lets go point by point.

Trying to attack me personally (logical fallacy), by trying to attack my age (logical fallacy), my education (incorrect) and etc, isn't going to aid you if you want to present logical points.

People can shyt and say whatever they want, its a fukking internet message board. The fukk I care.

The sad part to me is this, you have the opportunity to engage in polite and logical discussion with someone who disagrees with you, and instead of using that noggin and presenting rational counter arguments.
You start trying to appeal to the mass, backpat, and resort to name calling and chatty patty female shyt.
I was expecting more from this site, especially this sub-forum with regard to elevated discussion.

 

[David_TheMan]

Why do you think I don't argue with this fool?




Thats all that needs to be said

Your stance reminds me of the Milton Friedmen annecdote about jobs

At one of our dinners, Milton recalled traveling to an Asian country in the 1960s and visiting a worksite where a new canal was being built. He was shocked to see that, instead of modern tractors and earth movers, the workers had shovels. He asked why there were so few machines. The government bureaucrat explained: “You don’t understand. This is a jobs program.” To which Milton replied: “Oh, I thought you were trying to build a canal. If it’s jobs you want, then you should give these workers spoons, not shovels.”

The point being jobs alone don't represent an increase in economic output.
You have to expand markets, find underserved markets, or create new markets to expand an economy. Not simply have more jobs.

 

[BaggerofTea]

Your stance reminds me of the Milton Friedmen annecdote about jobs


The point being jobs alone don't represent an increase in economic output.
You have to expand markets, find underserved markets, or create new markets to expand an economy. Not simply have more jobs.

With no jobs, there is no money being put into the hands of the consumer, with no money put into the hands of the consumer, no consumer spending, with no consumer spending, no financial growth, with no financial growth companies cannot expand or create new markets.

What a way of providing an extreme example in order to distort the point

 

[ExodusNirvana]

I find it odd that you claim to know about economics, but you don't know my stance is pretty basic austrian school economics.
What you said isn't irrefutable, its your opinion. Simple as that, and if you want to argue in depth about what I said in that thread, take it in that thread and lets go point by point.

Trying to attack me personally (logical fallacy), by trying to attack my age (logical fallacy), my education (incorrect) and etc, isn't going to aid you if you want to present logical points.

People can shyt and say whatever they want, its a fukking internet message board. The fukk I care.

The sad part to me is this, you have the opportunity to engage in polite and logical discussion with someone who disagrees with you, and instead of using that noggin and presenting rational counter arguments.
You start trying to appeal to the mass, backpat, and resort to name calling and chatty patty female shyt.
I was expecting more from this site, especially this sub-forum with regard to elevated discussion.

You legit advocated for the removal of minimum wage and suggested that the businesses wouldn't pay workers as little as possible in order to maximize their own profits and that is fukking stupid dude what don't you get???

I'd no more debate that point with you than I would debate a 5 year old whether or not sticking a metal fork in a microwave would yield unfavorable results.

So the only conclusions one could come to would be either that you don't understand business, you're young as shyt and don't know how the real world works, or that you're just plain old stupid

 

[JahFocus CS]

He may be a contender but the competition is fierce as FUKK for WOAT. I don't think he's the favorite this year or even in the top tier for it by any means

Is anything he said that much worse than what @DEAD7 has been saying for years?

 

[David_TheMan]

You legit advocated for the removal of minimum wage and suggested that the businesses wouldn't pay workers as little as possible in order to maximize their own profits and that is fukking stupid dude what don't you get???

I'd no more debate that point with you than I would debate a 5 year old whether or not sticking a metal fork in a microwave would yield unfavorable results.

So the only conclusions one could come to would be either that you don't understand business, you're young as shyt and don't know how the real world works, or that you're just plain old stupid

I know exactly what I advocated for and I supported and explained my stance.
Also if you are going to try to present my argument atleast do it honestly. I said specifically the loss of minimum wage would only effect those currently at minimum wage now, not the jobs over minimum wage.
Also, newsflash, at every sector most businesses are trying to push salary down, even at the 20 - 25 dollar and up ranges but the skills for those positions and supply or workers vs the demand of those workers is what keeps the salary at a high level above even current minimum wage, so economically and logically removing the minimum wage would serve no downward pressure on those jobs.
Now tell me who you don't get that.

And again, when presented with an opportunity to discuss, you resort to childish name calling instead of actually typing out your actual point.

You don't want to debate and discuss with me fine, I have no problem with that, but the fact that you can't keep my name out your mouth and go around whining and tagging and mentioning me in threads is what shows the bytchness in you.

Its clear in just this thread alone you don't have knowledge of business, macro economics, different schools of economic thought, real world application and study of the economic interference you champion, or the racist origins of what you are arguing for.

So again agree or disagree fine, doesn't matter to me, but how about you just keep my name out your mouth and act like a real man.

 

[David_TheMan]

With no jobs, there is no money being put into the hands of the consumer, with no money put into the hands of the consumer, no consumer spending, with no consumer spending, no financial growth, with no financial growth companies cannot expand or create new markets.

What a way of providing an extreme example in order to distort the point

Which comes first, jobs or the market that entices businesses to serve that market?
That is right you need to the market that drives the business to be created in the first place.
There are no jobs without a market that needs to be served.

 

[88m3]

This the guy from the Seattle thread? lol