2020 Democratic National Convention Discussion Thread (August 17-20)

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Hes proposing an identical minimum wage increase to Bernie, free college for kids from families making under $125K, expanding public option, huge spending commitments on schooling, huge spending commitment on housing, on the environment this was just a month ago:
Biden Announces $2 Trillion Climate Plan

You can retort these are just empty commitments that he won’t stick to, which is fine, and can only be proven by time, but the idea he has nothing to offer on what you listed above is simply false.
Come on man. It’s not simply false. He’s offering nothing to change the broken unsustainable system.

Nothing in any of his proposals actually challenge and redistributes power. He’s already wavering on the public option (which in itself is inadequate) and anonymous sources are telling the press he’s going to abandon it and “tweak” the ACA, aka do nothing. He said he would veto single payer even if it passed both houses of Congress.

Free college for people making under $125k will create a shytty college system for the working class that gets sucked dry by neoliberal macroeconomic policy (budget cuts, vouchers) and offer devalued degrees. Free public college for all would be a great equalizer and end the unsustainable student loan crisis.

His climate plan is ok I think but lacks specifics.

Now looking at those things you mentioned, how do you square that with the words of the guy running his transition team?



Both can’t be true.

If the last several decades have taught us anything about American politics and government is that if you don’t actually challenge power and force redistribution of it, nothing happens. The corporate interests will cut it to pieces before it even gets to a vote. Biden does not believe in challenging power.
 

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Ryan was damn near in tears trying to explain to Mitt what happened.

He went light on Palin tho.

Trump's debate tactic is to just throw bombs. I imagine he's going to mention Hunter Biden a lot. Joe needs to get dirty. Go low Joe
Think trump go as low to name drop Beau?
 

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People need to chill with the Obama stuff. Biden got elected to office when he was 29. Obama was 11 years old then. Obama is a political prodigy and while a large part of Biden’s support in modern day is from their association, it’s a little disrespectful to act like he couldn’t give a speech without being coached through it. He was in politics for almost thirty years before Obama came in. He knows how to get on stage and talk :heh:
 

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Wilmington is lit. That speech was more inspirational than any Hillary speech. Joe shoulda ran in 2016

Probably the biggest moment that’s gonna happen in Delaware for a while (closest was the Eagles winning the Super Bowl as Philly is 30 minutes away) and I didn’t go outta Covid fears :francis: I been at the Chase Center a thousand times. To see it on television packed with people is wild.
 

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People need to chill with the Obama stuff. Biden got elected to office when he was 29. Obama was 11 years old then. Obama is a political prodigy and while a large part of Biden’s support in modern day is from their association, it’s a little disrespectful to act like he couldn’t give a speech without being coached through it. He was in politics for almost thirty years before Obama came in. He knows how to get on stage and talk :heh:
Nah, that speech had some Obamaisms in it. Joe could never get to this point w/o Obama
 

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By the Great Buddha, this country is lower than I thought. Imagine "hitting it out of the park" actually means, "He can say 4 sentences in a row without completely fukking it up." :mjlol: :mjcry:
 

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Obama gave him some lines but he didn’t write the song. Biden been in some kind of political office since 1970. He didn’t link up with Obama until 2009. He’s his own man.
And what did he ever win outside of Delaware?How fukkin small is Delaware again?
 

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Right wing media have already set the bar for Biden's debate performance below the floor.

Now they say he was just reading off the prompter(which Trump can't do if his life depended on it) and that they'll never have a debate because Trump is too good and Biden is scared.

They've set themselves up for the L.
I’ve always felt Biden would beat Trump in a debate. Trump is awful in debates. Hillary washed him thrice.

My biggest concern is Biden having those stupid gaffe moments where he damages himself along with Trump.
 
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