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What is the main issue that the Dems should hammer Trump on in the general? I think it is FP and Iran. Independents are overwhelmingly against what Trump did in Iran. Dems need to point out how dangerous and reckless he is everyday.[/QUOTE

I think we can flip a lot of republicans by just talking about the moral character of the nation. Just having our country represented by someone good, and making sure the recession isn’t that bad, will convince a lot of ppl.

Whoever gets elected to run against trump, needs to bait him as much as possible.
 

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Socialists Will Never Understand Elizabeth Warren


Socialists Will Never Understand Elizabeth Warren
The Democratic candidate is part of a long intellectual tradition that’s gone forgotten in the West: pro-market leftism.
By Henry Farrell | December 12, 2019, 10:12 AM
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U.S. Sen. Elizabeth Warren, right, pats Sen. Bernie Sanders on the back after Sanders spoke at a news conference on the Social Security system in Washington on Feb. 16, 2017. Win McNamee/Getty Images


Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s politics seem like a tangle of contradictions. She wants free markets, but also wants to tax billionaires’ capital. Her enemies on the right claim that she is a socialist, but Warren describes herself as “capitalist to my bones.”

Warren’s politics are so confusing because we have forgotten that a pro-capitalist left is even possible. For a long time, political debate in the United States has been a fight between conservatives and libertarians on the right, who favored the market, and socialists and liberals on the left, who favored the government.

It has been clear since 2016 that the traditional coalition of the right was breaking up. Conservatives such as U.S. President Donald Trump are no fans of open trade and free markets, and even favor social protections so long as they benefit their white supporters. Now, the left is changing too.

Warren is reviving a pro-market left that has been neglected for decades, by drawing on a surprising resource: public choice economics. This economic theory is reviled by many on the left, who have claimed that it is a Koch-funded intellectual conspiracy designed to destroy democracy. Yet there is a left version of public choice economics too, associated with thinkers such as the late Mancur Olson. Like Olson, Warren is not a socialist but a left-wing capitalist, who wants to use public choice ideas to cleanse both markets and the state of their corruption.


Public choice economics has big influence and a bad name. It is a school of economic thought that has at different times been associated with scholars at the University of Rochester, Virginia Tech, and George Mason University. Public choice came into being in fervent opposition to the mainstream of economics, which was dominated by scholars such as Paul Samuelson.

Samuelson, in his famous and influential textbooks, saw a clear role for government in regulating markets. Public choice scholars vehemently disagreed. For political and theoretical reasons, they instead saw government as a fountain of corruption. Public choice economists argued that government regulations were the product of special interest groups that had “captured” the power of the state, to cripple rivals and squeeze money from citizens and consumers. Regulations were not made in the public interest, but instead were designed to bilk ordinary citizens.

Perhaps the most influential version of public choice was known as law and economics. For decades, conservative foundations supported seminars that taught judges and legal academics the principles of public choice economics. Attendees were taught that harsh sentences would deter future crime, that government regulation should be treated with profound skepticism, and that antitrust enforcement had worse consequences than the monopolies it was supposed to correct. As statistical research by Elliott Ash, Daniel L. Chen, and Suresh Naidu has shown, these seminars played a crucial role in shifting American courts to the right.

Warren was one of the young legal academics who attended these seminars, and was largely convinced by the arguments. Her early work on bankruptcy law started from public choice principles, and displayed a deep skepticism of intervention.


The conventional story is that as Warren moved from the right to the left, she abandoned the public choice way of thinking about the world, in favor of a more traditional left-wing radicalism. A more accurate take might be that she didn’t abandon public choice, but instead remained committed to its free-market ideals, while reversing some of its valences. Her work as an academic was aimed at combating special interests, showing how the financial industry had shaped bankruptcy reforms so that they boosted lenders’ profits at borrowers’ expense. Notably, she applied public choice theory to explain some aspects of public choice, showing how financial interests had funded scholarly centers which provided a patina of genteel respectability to industry’s preferred positions.


Now, Warren wants to to wash away the filth that has built up over decades to clog the workings of American capitalism. Financial rules that have been designed by lobbyists need to be torn up. Vast inequalities of wealth, which provide the rich with disproportionate political and economic power, need to be reversed. Intellectual property rules, which make it so that farmers no longer really own the seeds they sow or the machinery they use to plant them, need to be abolished. For Warren, the problem with modern American capitalism is that it is not nearly capitalist enough. It has been captured by special interests, which are strangling competition.



It is hard to see how deeply Warren’s program is rooted in public choice ideas, because public choice has come to be the target of left-wing conspiracy theories
. A recent popular history book, which qualified as a finalist for the National Book Award, depicts public choice as a kind of stealth intellectual weapons program, developed by economist James Buchanan to provide Chilean President Augusto Pinochet with the justification for his dictatorial constitution, and the Koch brothers with the tools to dismantle American democracy.

For sure, the mainstream of public choice is strongly libertarian, and the development of the approach was funded by conservative individuals and foundations. What left-wing paranoia overlooks is that there has always been a significant left-wing current of public choice, and even a potent left-wing radicalism buried deep within public choice waiting to be uncovered. The free-market ideal is a situation in which no actor has economic power over any other. As many of Warren’s proposals demonstrate, trying to achieve this ideal can animate a radical program for reform.


Warren’s ideas have a close family resemblance to those of Olson, a celebrated public choice theorist. (Perhaps she has read him; perhaps she has just reached similar conclusions from similar starting points.) Olson, like other public choice scholars, worried about the power of interest groups. He famously developed a theory of collective action that shows how narrowly focused interest groups can dominate politics, because they can organize more cheaply and reap great benefits by setting rules and creating monopolies at the expense of the ordinary public. This means that government programs often actively harm the poor rather than helping them.


However, Olson also castigated libertarian economists for their “monodiabolism” and “almost utopian lack of concern about other problems” so long as the government was chained down. He argued that the government was not the only source of economic power: Business special interests would corrupt markets even if the government did not help them.


The result, according to Olson, was that societies, economies, and political systems became increasingly encrusted with special-interest politics as the decades passed. Countries benefited economically from great upheavals such as wars and social revolutions, which tore interest groups from their privileged perches and sent them tumbling into the abyss.

Olson wanted to open up both politics and the economy to greater competition, equalizing power relations as much as possible between the many and the few. He argued that under some circumstances, powerful trade unions could benefit the economy. When unions and business groups were sufficiently big that they represented a substantial percentage of workers or business as a whole, they would be less likely to seek special benefits at the expense of the many, and more likely to prioritize the good of the whole. Olson also believed strongly in the benefits of open trade, not just because it led to standard economic efficiencies, but because it made it harder for interest groups to capture government and markets. Northern European economies such as Denmark, which combine powerful trade unions with a strong commitment to free markets, represent Olsonian politics in action.


Warren shares far more intellectual DNA with Mancur Olson and his colleagues than with traditional socialism
. However, there are important differences. Olson wrote his key work in the 1980s, before the globalization boom. His arguments for free trade depend on the assumption that open borders will disempower special interests.

As economists such as Dani Rodrik and political scientists such as Susan Sell have shown, this hasn’t quite worked out as Olson expected. Free trade agreements have become a magnet for special interest groups, who want to cement their preferences in international agreements that are incredibly hard to reverse. The U.S. “fast track” approach to trade negotiations makes it harder for Congress to demand change, but allows industry lobbyists to shape the administration’s negotiating stance. Investor-state dispute resolution mechanisms provide business with a friendly forum where they can target government rules that hurt their economic interests. All of this helps explain why Warren is skeptical of arguments for the general benefits of free-trade agreements: they aren’t nearly so general as economists claim.

Close attention to Warren’s public choice influences reveals both her radicalism and its limits. Like Olson, she is committed to the notion that making capitalism work for citizens will require changes that border on the revolutionary. The sweeping proposals she makes for changes to America’s gross economic inequality, its economic relations with the rest of the world, its approach to antitrust legislation, and its tolerance of sleazy relationships among politicians, regulators, and industry are all aimed at creating a major upheaval. Where she proposes major state action, as in her “Medicare for All” plans, it is to supplant market institutions that aren’t working, and are so embedded in interest group power dynamics that they are incapable of reform.

Yet this is a distinctly capitalist variety of radicalism. Socialists will inevitably be disappointed in the limits to her arguments. Warren’s ideal is markets that work as they should, in contrast to the socialist belief that some forms of power are inherent within markets themselves. Not only Marxists, but economists such as Thomas Piketty, have suggested that the market system is rigged in ways that will inevitably favor capital over the long run. The fixes that Warren proposes will at most dampen down these tendencies rather than remove them.

If Warren wins, she will not only disappoint socialists. Her proposals may end up being too radical for Congress, but not nearly radical enough to tackle challenges such as climate change, which will require a rapid and dramatic transformation of the global economy if catastrophe is to be averted. Libertarians and mainstream public choice scholars will attack her from a different vantage point, arguing that she is both too skeptical about existing market structures and too trusting of the machineries of the state that she hopes to use to remedy them. State efforts to reform markets can easily turn into protectionism.

What Warren offers, then, is neither a socialist or deep green alternative to capitalism, nor a public choice justification for why regulators ought to leave it alone. The bet she is making is that capitalism can solve the major problems that the United States faces, so long as the government tackles inequality and defangs the special interests that have parasitized the political and economic systems. Like all such bets, it is a risky one, but one that might transform the U.S. model of capitalism if it succeeds.

Henry Farrell is a professor of political science and international affairs at George Washington University.


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A ‘#NeverWarren’ hashtag portended a Democratic squabble. Data showed otherwise.
Ben CollinsBen Collins covers disinformation, extremism and the internet for NBC News.
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Simmering tension between Democratic presidential candidates Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren appeared to burst into the open on social media on Wednesday, with the “#NeverWarren” hashtag gaining media attention by becoming the No. 1 trend on Twitter.

But the data paint another picture.

The hashtag was used by many well-followed accounts that sought to downplay division between Sanders and Warren, in turn boosting the trend and further fueling the belief that the candidates and their supporters were at odds.

The top three most engaged-with tweets on the #NeverWarren hashtag called for unity and urged people to resist divisiveness between the two liberal candidates, highlighting how social media remains an imperfect — and easily manipulated — part of the political scene.

Analysis of the #NeverWarren hashtag by NBC News using the social media analytics tool Hoaxy showed that the top tweet Wednesday morning was posted by the author and pastor John Pavlovitz.

“Anyone posting #NeverWarren gets blocked immediately,” he tweeted.

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Pavlovitz later took down the tweet, citing its impact on the hashtag’s spread.

Users imploring others to ignore the negative hashtag — as well as others, such as #WarrenIsASnake — wound up giving momentum to the appearance of a growing rift between Warren and Sanders supporters. It’s a prime example of what disinformation researchers call “accidental amplification.”


The hashtags trended after Warren said in a statement and, later, on Tuesday night’s debate stage, that Sanders once told her that a woman couldn’t win the presidency. Sanders denied having made the comment, and his supporters used the hashtags to attack Warren as a liar, a motif that has come up repeatedly as the two candidates compete over their progressive bona fides. Both senators have passionate supporters, but Sanders’ fans have developed a reputation for trafficking in particularly aggressive online vitriol.

But social media is particularly geared to make minor divisions seem bigger than they are.Kanishk Karan, a researcher at the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensics Lab, which tracks disinformation campaigns, said it’s easy for people to see a hashtag and assume it‘s trending because it’s popular or because they agree.

“Anyone who just read the hashtag and not the tweets themselves wound up conflating a negative sentiment that’s less popular with the actual sentiment,” Karan said. “Users telling people not to believe a hashtag — it doesn’t fix the idea of what the conversation is.”

Twitter users had tweeted the #NeverWarren hashtag 62,000 times by 3 p.m. ET Wednesday , and CNN, The Hill, Daily Wire and Newsweek all wrote about it, saying supporters were playing into a “feud” or “meltdown.”

While some Twitter users genuinely appeared to promote the divisive messages, the second-most-retweeted post about the #NeverWarren hashtag Wednesday morning came from Mehdi Hasan, a columnist for the investigative journalism website The Intercept, who excoriated users who agreed with it.

“If you're tweeting in support of this ludicrous #NeverWarren hashtag, you're not only dumb but you're also telling the world that you're ok with kids in cages and bans on Muslims,” Hasan said.

Divisive hashtags can be started on purpose to bait high-profile users into denouncing them, Karan said. The tactic was frequently deployed during the 2016 election, notably in hashtag campaigns by groups like WikiLeaks.

Karan said fixing the problem comes down to tech companies, who he said need better systems to give better context around hashtags, and users, who should think twice before they tweet — even if they mean well.

“The important thing is: How do you talk about it? You want to add value and depth in this conversation, but if you retweet this keyword, you’re adding to it,” Karan said.
 

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What is the main issue that the Dems should hammer Trump on in the general? I think it is FP and Iran. Independents are overwhelmingly against what Trump did in Iran. Dems need to point out how dangerous and reckless he is everyday.
Honestly, corruption is the issue that may have the broadest electoral/ideological appeal.
 

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I’m not confident we can flip republicans. Trump still have a 90 percent approval with republicans. I think better strategy is to try to reengage the Dems that voted in 2012, and sit out in 2016.
Aren't there a lot of independent Obama/Trump voters?
 

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Is their anyone worse than that Jacobin fck lol. Dude takes the worst angle on every leftist policy.
 
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