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The problem with Bernie is that is usually his only answer with regard to race and Trump voters.

He doesn't do a good job speaking on race and always attempts to reduce it down to policy and class and as an African American I find that answer to be lacking.

That's a major difference between he and Obama.
 

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The problem with Bernie is that is usually his only answer with regard to race and Trump voters.

He doesn't do a good job speaking on race and always attempts to reduce it down to policy and class and as an African American I find that answer to be lacking.

That's a major difference between he and Obama.
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MG: Senator, why hasn’t your candidacy gained broad support among African-Americans?

Well, a couple of reasons, but check that out. I think sometimes — without going through the whole — what happened in 2016 is, we were running against a woman, who — she and her husband were very popular in the African-American community. But even in 2016, we won the support of African-Americans who were under the age of 40 and Latinos. And right now that is still the case. In fact, poll after poll has us winning the support of people under 49.

We’re not doing well with older people. I’ve got to work on that. But I don’t accept the fact that we’re — I mean, I’d like to do better. But we are not. And Joe Biden is doing well, and there are reasons for that. But I think behind Joe, we are in second place within the African-American community. I suspect we’re winning among younger African-Americans.Senator Sanders is a favorite among black millennials, but by a small margin. Mr. Biden is leading him in support among all black voters by nearly 20 percentage points.

KK: Why is Biden doing so well?

And I should also tell you that I just came back from South Carolina yesterday. We have more African-Americans support in the State Legislature than any other candidate. We had nine members of the State Legislature who are supporting us. Actively supporting us. We have — I don’t know enough about other campaigns, but we have a whole lot of people like Cornel West, Nina Turner, Danny Glover, many others. Leading African-American voices that are out there campaigning very, very hard for us. I think we will surprise people about how well we do in South Carolina, for example.

MG: So, you’ve declined to support reparations. What, if anything, should the federal government do ——

Good.

MG: — to address the condition —

Good.

MG: — specifically of black Americans after centuries of discrimination, exclusion and plunder, frankly?

Yes. You’re right. It’s not that I have rejected reparations.While Senators Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker said they supported some form of reparations, Senator Sanders has been typically contrarian on the issue — he said that “there are better ways” to help black communities “than just writing out a check.” I am on Cory Booker’s bill in the Senate, which looks at reparations. I’m a co-sponsor of that. Strong co-sponsor of that. What I believe is, you’re absolutely right. And that means I am sympathetic to what Jim Clyburn of South Carolina, was talking about. I don’t know if you’re familiar with what Clyburn is talking about. It’s called the 10-20-30 legislation and what it says is, the federal government must substantially increase funding for distressed communities that have long-term poverty rates. Often, not always, African-American communities. And that means a significant increase in federal funding for housing, for education, for health care, for infrastructure, for job training.
You’re absolutely right. There is no argument. They’re all community, African-American community. We don’t even have to go into all the horror that that community has experienced, and that has got to be addressed and we intend to address it, in an extremely bold way. That’s a promise I make to you.

He just doesn't do a great job directly discussing the issue.

All these words. No mention of an actual proposal targeted specifically for African Americans. :yeshrug:
 

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but you want to create a coalition with one percenters. who might be racists. the entire point of centerism is the stand for nothing.
According the Bernie since they have more money and less economic anxiety, they won’t be racist...so yea, more billionaires less racism :blessed:
 

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Ahh whitesplaining via a token black example, as if a singular black actor can’t be wrong/speaks for everyone. Furthermore, holding up Obama, who by proxy of being the first black, and one of the more likable presidents, has always had to shy away from direct race talk as to not add more ammo against himself, is not a great proxy for this discussion.


I’ve seen Michelle Obama speak, and best believe she doesn’t hold her tongue on the source, effect and reasons for racism in this country. So, imma roll with the non politician view on this.


This argument is getting dumb too, instead of jumping head first trying to :cape: for Bernie’s view, seems like people would be better served correcting the conversation while also accepting that maybe a very small faction of racists are driven by their economic position...tho the whole foundation of white supremacy far supercedes economics, which Bernie and his protectors all seem to want to overlook.
I agree with most of this, but that last sentence is something I think about often. Sort of getting into a chicken/egg situation when talking about white supremacy and economic systems built around explotation. I have a harder time separating them.

Looking at any group throughout history why exploit someone else if not for some perceived material gain? Hunter gatherers have a much less shameful record with regard to explotation for example.
 

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I agree with most of this, but that last sentence is something I think about often. Sort of getting into a chicken/egg situation when talking about white supremacy and economic systems built around explotation. I have a harder time separating them.

Looking at any group throughout history why exploit someone else if not for some perceived material gain? Hunter gatherers have a much less shameful record with regard to explotation for example.
If you’re already in a better position than them (as the white founders and, later, southern planters were in the early years of this country vs black salves and native Americans) per Bernie, why would you have views of supremacy or racism...maybe because economic gain is a result/possibility of supremist beliefs that put us on the bottom.
 

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What's the overlap between Sanders supporters and economic anxiety voters.

We already know there weren't many Sanders to Trump voters. So why did they reject sanders during the primary and opt for racism?
 

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If you’re already in a better position than them (as the white founders and, later, southern planters were in the early years of this country vs black salves and native Americans) per Bernie, why would you have views of supremacy or racism...maybe because economic gain is a result/possibility of supremist beliefs that put us on the bottom.
I was addressing what you wrote, not cosigning what Bernie said there. I'm confident the more anyone thinks about it the less the distinction is made between the two.

Explotation doesnt show up out of the blue. It gets ingrained into the lifeblood of society and justified all throughout the process. Just like we in developed countries largely dont think about the slavery and exploitation built into every one of our electronic devices, but do think of how much it will cost us.
 

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Eh idk

He needs someone with energy

He was a symbolic balancing factor with obama in 08

It would be the inverse with biden as the nominee

Maybe he would want what you are saying but i think he and/or his staff is smart enough to know that wouldnt be a winning move

I never said he didn't, but I'm what I'm saying is that Biden is very outdated and old fashioned with his politics and those around him aren't advising him well as is. I don't see anybody Non-White or female as his running mate.

Just speaking realistically.
 
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