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This is the point tho. Voters are dumb, but you have to be able to think like them if you are trying to predict their behavior.

Biden getting weeks on end of coverage about "is he corrupt, isn't he corrupt is going to plant that seed in the casual rural voter's head in the same way that "crooked Hillary" + Benghazi + Comey investigations did against Hillary even if nothing came out of that.
Biden has a history of taking money from people and doing things on there behalf, corrupt is word that could be used but it seems Bernie didn't want to go that route. But that has never stopped someone from becoming president. The issue is Bernie is less succeptable to that attack so he can move in on him and Biden has to defend it. You can bring a many instances where Biden will have to explain why he made decisions. His son isn't a concern of mines but it's out there and the world isn't fair.

What Biden needs to do though is stake claims in whatever his successes are and proclaim that Bernie ain't on his level. What he seems to be doing instead is just telling people to vote for someone else.
 

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"More supporters of Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary voted for McCain against Obama than Sanders supporters voted for Trump in 2016"


:picard: Don't ever let me catch you Hillary clit munchers ever fix the unfortunate hole in your face to say anything about party unity ever again
Wasn't that breakdown something like ~74% vs ~70%?
 

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12% Bernie to Trump
25% Clinton to McCain

The way that discussion has been hashed out here in the last few weeks you would think it was 90% Sanders conversion to Trump vs 10% Hillary conversion to McCain.


Few Sanders supporters voted for Trump, but that doesn't measure how many stayed home.

I don't blame Sanders supporters for Trump winning. It has more to do with backlash against Obama than anything. But I do still see a lot of Sanders supporters as of right now saying they won't vote for anybody but Sanders, and considering how terrible Trump is I just don't agree with that attitude. For the Supreme Court if nothing else.
 

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Bernie Sanders praised George Wallace as 'sensitive' in 1972
Bernie Sanders praised George Wallace as 'sensitive' in 1972

by Joseph Simonson
| January 30, 2020 03:05 PM


Seven years after Martin Luther King, Jr. referred to George Wallace as "perhaps the most dangerous racist in America today," a young Bernie Sanders praised the segregationist Alabama governor.

In an interview with the Brattleboro Reformer in 1972, Sanders, then 31, said Wallace "advocates some outrageous approaches to our problems, but at least he is sensitive to what people feel they need."

Sanders, now a Vermont senator and 2020 Democrat, said, "What we need are more active politicians working for the people."

The 1972 remarks surprised the interviewer at the time, who wrote that "even though [Sanders] has been labeled a 'leftist radical' by some persons, Sanders had some praise for [Wallace]."

At the time, Sanders was in the midst of his first political bid, as a gubernatorial candidate for the socialist Liberty Union Party. During that race, Sanders garnered only single-digit support — the first in a series of losses in bids for political office, before winning the Burlington mayor's office, Vermont's single House seat in 1990, and his current Senate seat in 2006.

Wallace was among the most well-known segregationists of his era. Wallace declared in his 1963 inaugural address as governor — he served three different non-consecutive terms — that he stood for "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever." Wallace won further infamy for standing in the front of the entrance of the University of Alabama, blocking the paths of black students.

He died in 1998 at 79, after becoming a born-again Christian and apologizing to black Americans for his previous policies.

The resurfacing of Sanders's comments come after many Democrats begin fearing his rise in the presidential primary. For nearly a year, most of Sanders's rivals have refrained from directly targeting his long paper trail of controversial statements and positions.

While there was a bipartisan consensus in the 1970s and 1980s against the totalitarian policies of the Soviet Union and Cuba, Sanders regularly touted what he saw as positive aspects of the regimes.

And last year, the Washington Examiner reported on Sanders's history campaigning for the Marxist Socialist Workers party in 1980 and 1984. At one point, Sanders's involvement with the SWP led to an FBI investigation when he was mayor of Burlington, Vermont.

Never an official member of the Democratic Party until his presidential bids in 2016 and 2020, many primary voters view his presidential bids with suspicion.

Sanders never endorsed a Democratic presidential candidate until 1988, when he first had his eyes on federal office. That year, he backed Jesse Jackson. Sanders was first elected to Congress as an independent in 1990 after a failed House bid two years earlier.

Despite his rivals attempting to capitalize on Sanders's past, other Democratic White House hopefuls have their own racial-tinged history to grapple with.

In 1975, then-Delaware Sen. Joe Biden told the Philadelphia Enquirer that "the Democratic Party could stand a liberal George Wallace."

The following year, however, Biden vowed not to back Wallace should he win the Democratic Party's nomination.

"If Wallace got the [Democratic nomination], I would support the republican nominee, if it were Gerald Ford," said Biden, then 34 and in the fourth year of his 36-year Senate career, before two terms as President Barack Obama's vice president.

In 1974, Biden also pledged to stop Wallace from winning the nomination in the next presidential race.

"Over my dead political body is George Wallace going to get it," Biden said.







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I thought the argument was that Bernie voters sat out, not that they voted for Trump.

It seems we aren't comparing apples to apples here. :manny:
 

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Few Sanders supporters voted for Trump, but that doesn't measure how many stayed home.

I don't blame Sanders supporters for Trump winning. It has more to do with backlash against Obama than anything. But I do still see a lot of Sanders supporters as of right now saying they won't vote for anybody but Sanders, and considering how terrible Trump is I just don't agree with that attitude. For the Supreme Court if nothing else.

Didn't millions of Obama voters stay home too? This is something that happens when your electoral strategy is to bring newcomers who haven't been consistent voters into the tent. I'd guess that it'll happen with a turnout strategy in general since you're bringing in a broader base. You can't promise their participation with some other candidate who doesn't inspire them. I would add though, that the vast majority of Bernie voters I know and speak with say they'll hold their nose and vote for whoever (with the exception being if Bernie leads heading into a contested convention and then the nomination goes to someone else via super delegates in round 2). I'd also add that I find it more problematic when party insiders can't even commit to endorsing Bernie if he wins (Clinton and Biden in the past couple of weeks), partially because it's hypocritical and partially because that type of behavior is more likely to turn off newcomers from participating if Bernie wins. It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point; refusing to admit you'd support the progressive but expecting progressives to back you up in the reverse situation.
 

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Didn't millions of Obama voters stay home too? This is something that happens when your electoral strategy is to bring newcomers who haven't been consistent voters into the tent. I'd guess that it'll happen with a turnout strategy in general since you're bringing in a broader base. You can't promise their participation with some other candidate who doesn't inspire them. I would add though, that the vast majority of Bernie voters I know and speak with say they'll hold their nose and vote for whoever (with the exception being if Bernie leads heading into a contested convention and then the nomination goes to someone else via super delegates in round 2). I'd also add that I find it more problematic when party insiders can't even commit to endorsing Bernie if he wins (Clinton and Biden in the past couple of weeks), partially because it's hypocritical and partially because that type of behavior is more likely to turn off newcomers from participating if Bernie wins. It's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point; refusing to admit you'd support the progressive but expecting progressives to back you up in the reverse situation.
an example from 4 years ago is better than an example from TWELVE years ago.

Lets stay focused.
 
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