maybe shes waiting to stab her in the back like she did bernie
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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mastermind
Rest In Power Kobe
Which was the same with Hillary.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
that's actually damning for bernie as well as it means the centrist coalition is growing and once some of them start dropping out and endorsing one another, their delegates are likely to follow. but continue to hope for the narrowing of progressive supportNah. I’m curious to see if Amy ends up finishing in front of her. That’d be pretty damning. Ain’t getting any easier in the south, Warren
DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
maybe shes waiting to stab her in the back like she did bernie
I didn't realize Hillary surrogate advisors had four years of pent up rage against Klobuchar too
Neither Bernard or his supporters can rightfully argue he is going to do anything for blacks or other minorities during his term when he is the same person who feels the white working (poor, lower middle class) has been disenfranchised by the minority loving Democratic party. He wants all those good disenfranchised white people to come back home.
His abysmal numbers with minorities in 2016 taught him to keep that bullsh*t to himself. I don't believe the man is racist or has the type of sh*tty record with black folks that Buttigieg has, but I am also not delusional in thinking that he believes any different in 2020 than what he believed in 2016.
How long you been a Bernie supporter?
His entire stance on "identity politics" is framed on the idea that a great deal of Trump voters are disenfranchised whites who feel slighted by what they see as being left out in the cold while the party focuses on minorities and gays. That entire narrative played out in several articles, pundits and experts after Trump won in 2016 as some way to explain what everyone thought was impossible. Bernard from primary to stomping for Hillary held on to that talking point.
Bernie Sanders — and many Democrats — keep confusing identity politics with tokenism
The quoted article looks at both sides, the side who saw his stance for what it was - "hey what about those white people who use to be the core of the Democratic party?..." as well as the other side of that coin who feel he amply addresses race and gender issues.
My biggest problem then and now with his stance on that topic is its a lose/lose for people of color/minorities. Because lets say he becomes president, in order to not lose both chambers of congress in the next congressional elections to the same disenfranchised whites, he's going to have to deliver to that voter block, effectively killing his minority support. Vice versa if he doesn't deliver, then he's back at square one. Its an untenable situation that causes the same type of divisiveness he claims to be pointing out in "identity politics". A presidential candidate has to have more foresight, now more than ever, on maintaining a split or majority in congress - not just a bunch of rhetoric to garner the most votes.
And I say all of this as someone who was a supporter of Sanders in 2015. I obviously did not agree with all of his platform but I was definitely in the camp of the party needing a shift in a more progressive direction and I felt that several of his progressive policies where more ideal that Hilary's. I still feel the same way about progressive policies which is why I support Warren who in my opinion does Bernie better than Bernie and is attacking the heart of the issues.
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And I agree.
Thread by @stealthygeek: Been losing followers in direct proportion to saying true things about Bernie lately. Sorry kids, ignoring them won't make them go away. Her…
Been losing followers in direct proportion to saying true things about Bernie lately. Sorry kids, ignoring them won't make them go away.
Here's my concerns about Bernie:
- -He's unvetted in a national election. Yes, really. In 2016 the GOP left him untouched because he was... 1/
- ...a very useful wedge for dividing young Democrats from the candidate they have always feared, Clinton. For her part, Clinton left him untouched because she didn't want to alienate his supporters in the general. Bernie has never faced real scrutiny like he would in a general. 2/
- -Bernie lacks support among the Democrats' strongest minority constituencies. He has half the Black support of Biden in a year when minority turnout is going to be critical in many of the swing states where the election will actually be decided. 3/
- -He has no record of accomplishments to run on. Despite being a career politician with decades in the Senate, he's sponsored or cosponsored precious little successful legislation. Which is indicative of another one of his weaknesses... 4/
- -He doesn't work well with others in congress and isn't able to build consensus or coalitions. To make the sort of transformative structural changes his entire platform is built on, Bernie needs to be able to get wildly different factions of the party to stand with him. 5/
- But he's shown no talent for this, or even interest in learning the skill. His assumption that his "movement" will just horsewhip their representatives into line from the grassroots is naive, to say the least. The Democratic party has always been a factional mess. 6/
- It's a very diverse conglomerate of smaller fiefdoms that often see eachother as only marginal allies. Getting all of them to work together is like herding cats and electing Bernie is not going to magically change it into a big kumbaya circle. 7/
- -His support has shrank, not grown, over 4 years. He may have won the popular vote in IA, but turnout was down, and his total of 24% was twenty points lower than when he placed 2nd in 2016. This is problematic when his entire argument is he'll turn out millions of new voters. 8/
- -Much of his base of support isn't loyal to the Democratic party, and indeed many of them actively hate it. This is a problem for the down ticket races we need to win to retake the Senate and actuallyget anything done. Bernie's coattails are likely to be short. 9/
- -He's EXACTLY the candidate Trump and the rest of the GOP wants to run against. I know this is a shock, but yes, the fascist who "won" last time appealing to actual Nazis really does think his best chance is to run against a Jewish socialist. Trump tweets support at Bernie. 10/
- -And finally, yes, he's too old. He's 78. He just had a heart attack, which he then lied about for days, and now he's losing weight at a pretty alarming rate.
- Sure, Biden is also too old and I wish he hadn't run, but Bernie is a full year older still and has a damaged heart. 11/
- You can love Bernie. You can agree with and support his policies. But you have to take into account all of the above is also true and will have a big impact on not only his chances at beating Trump, but in carrying the party to a point where his plans can become reality. 12/12
- Well this seems to be taking off. I don't have a soundcloud, but if you like what I'm doing here and want to show your support, preorder my next book from @torbooks. We pitched it as "The Hunt for Red October" in space. Peace.
Jesus Christ 
