2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[No1]

As someone who works in the healthcare profession M4A would be a disaster.
Bernie’s M4A act is extreme, even compared with other “single-payer” plans internationally. It intentionally sets up a monopsony, allowing a single payer (govt) to push prices through the floor in order to get coverage for everyone. It explicitly bans private insurance coverage after a 4-year phase-out, slashes reimbursement to providers, and makes balance billing illegal.
Medicare just BARELY covers hospital costs. Pure Medicaid hospitals don't exist, because they're already bankrupt. Already, physician reimbursements and salaries are well behind growing with inflation and have been for nearly 20 years. If you cut Medicare reimbursements, and insure everyone, those little mom and pop rural hospitals and clinics are going to be annihilated in short order.


Make no mistake, it would lead to an immediate recession/depression, as you would lose the entire health insurance industry and many, many clinical providers as clinics tried to stay afloat. Doctors, nurses and other health care professional would see an immediate and drastic cut in their pay- at least those who managed to stay open. Hospitals and clinics are running through thin margins. There is only a handful of hospitals that turn a profit without govt assistance.

I’m all for universal coverage, but M4A would be a disaster. If President Bernie somehow passes it Republicans would win big in 2022 midterms and a Republican would win in 2024. Health care is very complicated and it’s a massive part of our economy that any drastic changes would lead to an economic downturn. America is a unique country with a poor health literacy and even poorer health habits.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Sounds like a job for someone who's "not a real Democrat."

If they didn’t vote then.........

The guy (who was reasonable) was just pointing out that bernies strategy of getting out non voters may not be as effective as his campaign thinks it may ultimately be. Idk food for thought. I dont think many people would say trump would be running that well in that type of poll (expanding his base (?))

 

[Uno Venova]

As someone who works in the healthcare profession M4A would be a disaster.
Bernie’s M4A act is extreme, even compared with other “single-payer” plans internationally. It intentionally sets up a monopsony, allowing a single payer (govt) to push prices through the floor in order to get coverage for everyone. It explicitly bans private insurance coverage after a 4-year phase-out, slashes reimbursement to providers, and makes balance billing illegal.
Medicare just BARELY covers hospital costs. Pure Medicaid hospitals don't exist, because they're already bankrupt. Already, physician reimbursements and salaries are well behind growing with inflation and have been for nearly 20 years. If you cut Medicare reimbursements, and insure everyone, those little mom and pop rural hospitals and clinics are going to be annihilated in short order.


Make no mistake, it would lead to an immediate recession/depression, as you would lose the entire health insurance industry and many, many clinical providers as clinics tried to stay afloat. Doctors, nurses and other health care professional would see an immediate and drastic cut in their pay- at least those who managed to stay open. Hospitals and clinics are running through thin margins. There is only a handful of hospitals that turn a profit without govt assistance.

I’m all for universal coverage, but M4A would be a disaster. If President Bernie somehow passes it Republicans would win big in 2022 midterms and a Republican would win in 2024. Health care is very complicated and it’s a massive part of our economy that any drastic changes would lead to an economic downturn. America is a unique country with a poor health literacy and even poorer health habits.

Medicare for All would save US $450 Billion and prevent nearly 70,000 deaths a year: Yale study – Alternet.org

Here's a Yale study that says the exact opposite

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[No1]

Watching you people unravel is one of the wildest things since seeing Republicans react to Obama 08.

 

[OfTheCross]

But they aren't, the median household income is what like 60k? People making nearly 3.5x that are average people? Being in the top ~5% makes you average?

The idea that average people will be missing 20k a year is a bit flawed to say the least.

Even in San Francisco that's a ballin salary.

60K in ATL is equal to making 110K in San Fran.

Making $200K in San Fran is like making is like making $110K in ATL

Cost of Living in San Francisco, CA | PayScale

 

[wire28]

As someone who works in the healthcare profession M4A would be a disaster.
Bernie’s M4A act is extreme, even compared with other “single-payer” plans internationally. It intentionally sets up a monopsony, allowing a single payer (govt) to push prices through the floor in order to get coverage for everyone. It explicitly bans private insurance coverage after a 4-year phase-out, slashes reimbursement to providers, and makes balance billing illegal.
Medicare just BARELY covers hospital costs. Pure Medicaid hospitals don't exist, because they're already bankrupt. Already, physician reimbursements and salaries are well behind growing with inflation and have been for nearly 20 years. If you cut Medicare reimbursements, and insure everyone, those little mom and pop rural hospitals and clinics are going to be annihilated in short order.


Make no mistake, it would lead to an immediate recession/depression, as you would lose the entire health insurance industry and many, many clinical providers as clinics tried to stay afloat. Doctors, nurses and other health care professional would see an immediate and drastic cut in their pay- at least those who managed to stay open. Hospitals and clinics are running through thin margins. There is only a handful of hospitals that turn a profit without govt assistance.

I’m all for universal coverage, but M4A would be a disaster. If President Bernie somehow passes it Republicans would win big in 2022 midterms and a Republican would win in 2024. Health care is very complicated and it’s a massive part of our economy that any drastic changes would lead to an economic downturn. America is a unique country with a poor health literacy and even poorer health habits.

im also in the medical field and disagree

 

[Pressure]

The entire tent is working towards insuring every American.

That's good for Bernie.

If the goal is just to increase coverage, yes. If the goal is M4A or Bust, then no.

The taxes argument is easy to refute because most Americans will get taxed less than they already pay for Health Insurance.

Actually it isn't. And you reference later on when talking about the penalty.

The gripe was people did not want to be forced to pay more money for insurance.

Additionally, don't forget, these are the same people that were paying a 'tax' with Obamacare too. Either via having to purchase insurance or taking the IRS penalty.

I think you're attempting to merge a bunch of groups together who aren't the same.

Complaints under Obamacare you had:

• People wanted the choice to not pay for insurance and use that money elsewhere
  • Some of those people were hit with the tax penalty
  • It's also why removing that mechanism hasn't been controversial and the views on ACA have gone up since
• People who always had employee sponsored healthcare who were about the whole process, unless they lost their provider due to their company changing providers
  • These people already have insurance and depending on a variety of factors will be taxed at the same rate or higher than is already going into their employee plans
  • Currently you can opt out of employee plans or change your plans to pay less of you want to use that money elsewhere
• People who couldn't afford healthcare, but didn't qualify for medicaid/Medicare
  • They're likely the biggest benefactor with Bernie's plan since they're the one getting the most for the least
• People who are forced to have insurance due to their own pre-existing conditions
• People who don't want to waste money on insurance because they're young and healthy
• People who believe healthcare is a right and they don't mind paying whatever to achieve that goal

There's clearly a lot of variance, but the implementation will almost certainly determine the levels of support.

But I can tell you for a fact there's a good contingent of people in those buckets who either:

• Don't want to pay more in taxes
• Don't trust the government to handle it
• Don't believe healthcare is a right
• Don't think we can afford it

For me personally, asking for another 8k a year is a non starter.

I don’t get how some of y’all think people, average people, not the m/billionaires, are about to see 5000-20000 more missing from their accounts each year and think this won’t cause a backslap the way racists whites did obama

im just wondering how far y’all think he’ll get into making change and how long that lasts...

I just don’t see this creating something that’s sustained in the long run. ESPECIALLY if a republican wins in 2024...

And thats just the tip.

You then have student debt, free college, and the GND.

 

[TheDarceKnight]

As someone who works in the healthcare profession M4A would be a disaster.
Bernie’s M4A act is extreme, even compared with other “single-payer” plans internationally. It intentionally sets up a monopsony, allowing a single payer (govt) to push prices through the floor in order to get coverage for everyone. It explicitly bans private insurance coverage after a 4-year phase-out, slashes reimbursement to providers, and makes balance billing illegal.
Medicare just BARELY covers hospital costs. Pure Medicaid hospitals don't exist, because they're already bankrupt. Already, physician reimbursements and salaries are well behind growing with inflation and have been for nearly 20 years. If you cut Medicare reimbursements, and insure everyone, those little mom and pop rural hospitals and clinics are going to be annihilated in short order.


Make no mistake, it would lead to an immediate recession/depression, as you would lose the entire health insurance industry and many, many clinical providers as clinics tried to stay afloat. Doctors, nurses and other health care professional would see an immediate and drastic cut in their pay- at least those who managed to stay open. Hospitals and clinics are running through thin margins. There is only a handful of hospitals that turn a profit without govt assistance.

I’m all for universal coverage, but M4A would be a disaster. If President Bernie somehow passes it Republicans would win big in 2022 midterms and a Republican would win in 2024. Health care is very complicated and it’s a massive part of our economy that any drastic changes would lead to an economic downturn. America is a unique country with a poor health literacy and even poorer health habits.

Fair enough. I appreciate the perspective. This is where desperation comes in. I've started a small business and it's going well, but health insurance is my biggest fear. I'm not broke enough for Medicaid, and since I work for myself I can't get on some other company's plan.

My business is fitness related, so even though I take great care of myself, eat well, only in my 30's, and have no pre-existing conditions, I've got something like an $8,000 deductible through Healthcare.gov as well as a ridiculous monthly premium. On top of that, I have a pretty shytty network of coverage.

I cannot afford it, and I need health insurance. I can't not have it. I'm too scared on the off-chance something catastrophic happens. I don't want to bankrupt my family overnight if I get cancer or something unexpected.

At this point I just don't really believe anyone but Bernie will actually attempt to change the system. And I don't want to fukk anything up for other Americans, but the health insurance industry in this country has fukked me from 2006 to now with the exception of a few years where I tried to play the corporate ladder desk job game (they took a portion of my income and the coverage was solid.) But I don't wanna have to go back to that life just to not go broke if something happens to me.

So I'm desperate right now for an alternative. I'm middle class, and I need every penny I can get right now, but I'd gladly pay more in taxes if I can reduce the co-pays, premiums, and deductibles for myself and my fellow citizens.

I'm able to be sold on another candidate, maybe Warren, if I can actually be convinced that they'll make an effort. But it's hard for me to have faith in these politicians that are clearly owned by big pharma.

I work really hard for my family. I do a lot for my community. I just want some shelter from the storm. Right now Bernie does have my vote because even if his ideas are flawed, he's the only one that I think gives a fukk about us. Him and maybe Warren. Everyone else seems too rich, bought off, and out of touch.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Democrats are really going to let this irresponsible madman win the nomination? You hate to see it.

Populism makes brains rot

 

[dtownreppin214]

Nice to see you putting that SJU education to waste and @dtownreppin214 showing his true colors.

Says the "Warren supporter" who has spent the past 8 months making snide remarks about her & her campaign.

I've always said the party is goofy for not getting behind Warren, and b/c of their cowardice will now have to live with Bernie as the candidate. He will lose to Trump, I stand by that.

 

[Eternal Tecate]

Sanders is proof people also exist on the left that are gullible fools

Imagine being as qualified as warren and the dumbasses behind Bernie not seeing that.

Fools. Compete fools. I’m so disappointed in the electorate.

Just under informed manipulated losers.

this is how I feel about Warren voters

 

[wire28]

Says the "Warren supporter" who has spent the past 8 months making snide remarks about her & her campaign.

now you listen here, he was the first warren supporter on here, months maybe even years ago....

blah blah blah lol we know what road this is about to go down

 

[OfTheCross]

As someone who works in the healthcare profession M4A would be a disaster.
Bernie’s M4A act is extreme, even compared with other “single-payer” plans internationally. It intentionally sets up a monopsony, allowing a single payer (govt) to push prices through the floor in order to get coverage for everyone. It explicitly bans private insurance coverage after a 4-year phase-out, slashes reimbursement to providers, and makes balance billing illegal.
Medicare just BARELY covers hospital costs. Pure Medicaid hospitals don't exist, because they're already bankrupt. Already, physician reimbursements and salaries are well behind growing with inflation and have been for nearly 20 years. If you cut Medicare reimbursements, and insure everyone, those little mom and pop rural hospitals and clinics are going to be annihilated in short order.


Make no mistake, it would lead to an immediate recession/depression, as you would lose the entire health insurance industry and many, many clinical providers as clinics tried to stay afloat. Doctors, nurses and other health care professional would see an immediate and drastic cut in their pay- at least those who managed to stay open. Hospitals and clinics are running through thin margins. There is only a handful of hospitals that turn a profit without govt assistance.

I’m all for universal coverage, but M4A would be a disaster. If President Bernie somehow passes it Republicans would win big in 2022 midterms and a Republican would win in 2024. Health care is very complicated and it’s a massive part of our economy that any drastic changes would lead to an economic downturn. America is a unique country with a poor health literacy and even poorer health habits.

I trust that all of these things will be considered when drafting the legislation.

If it were me I'd argue against the idea that hospitals have to turn a profit.

We don't expect fire and police departments to turn profits.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Watching you people unravel is one of the wildest things since seeing Republicans react to Obama 08.

Bernie Sanders is at the point where he's just saying shyt with no detail.

He's literally a left wing trump.