2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Yeah, the idea that Republicans have no angle to play on Bernie is ridiculous. Either you scared and need to go to church, or you're ready to nut up and fight through the bullshyt.

Young Bern has already proven he has a direct and well thought-out response to the communist stuff that you can take or leave though.

So far, Liz’ response to the Indian thing has been a whole lotta

 

[kingjones29]

Hard for me to understand how anyone could view Colorado as a toss up. Gardener knows he's has basically no chance for reelection and is out fundraising for trump lining up his next move out of office. Colorado gets bluer by the day

The senate will most likely be republican still

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I'll just put it bluntly. No female will beat Trump. It sucks, but it is what it is. This country is full of morons. The only Dem candidate who has demonstrated he can win over a significant portion of the moron voting bloc is Bernie. He went on Fox News and got their audience to side with him. They didn't care about the "communist smears." They heard he wants to provide them with healthcare, housing, jobs, and education and won them the fukk over. That's how you get the swing states.

But feel free to repeat 2016 and doom us all, centrist scum.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Receipts on her numbers being bad against Trump in the general?

RCP average has her +4 on Trump.

Here's my receipt: RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - General Election: Trump vs. Warren

RealClearPolitics - 2020 - Latest 2020 General Election Polls

Select any swing state from the pull down. They almost all show Bernie polling better vs Trump than Warren. A lot of them are old though.

 

[Pressure]

I'll just put it bluntly. No female will beat Trump. It sucks, but it is what it is. This country is full of morons. The only Dem candidate who has demonstrated he can win over a significant portion of the moron voting bloc is Bernie. He went on Fox News and got their audience to side with him. They didn't care about the "communist smears." They heard he wants to provide them with healthcare, housing, jobs, and education and won them the fukk over. That's how you get the swing states.

But feel free to repeat 2016 and doom us all, centrist scum.

I wonder what you'll put bluntly next :whitemjpls:

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

I wonder what you'll put bluntly next :whitemjpls:

Ask yourself why the corporate media is so desperate to stop ONLY this one particular candidate.

 

[No1]

All these polls are dumb.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Capitalism = an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market

Imperialism = the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas

There is no inherent definitional overlap. You're essentially positing that there can never be an isolationist capitalist state, or there can never be an expansionist socialist/communist state. History is obviously rife with examples of both. History is also filled with examples of imperialist capitalist states, the current era United States being one, but that relationship is not inextricably linked. Again, it seems like you're falling into that trendy trap of lazily throwing out "capitalism" as the cause of all the world's problems. It deserves a much more robust critique than the quality of thinking you're displaying here.


See, this is the crux of your issue here. Your definition of capitalism is not the same as the one Warren is using. The way she is utilizing the term is directly tied to the emancipatory power of markets. (see: Elizabeth Warren’s Theory of Capitalism) She always brings it back to healthy, well-regulated markets. When she says she's a "capitalist to her bones", she's talking about how well regulated markets can provide incredible social and economic gains for broad swaths of the population and working class. You seem to be conflating "crony capitalism" with "capitalism" proper, perhaps believing the latter inevitably leads to the former. But ultimately, we're still talking about how to structure markets. All economic theories are theories of markets. Marxism, communism, libertarianism, capitalism, etc.

If you cannot see the resurgence of far-right movements across the globe, particularly Europe, and the need to provide a robust progressive counter-movement, your head is stuck up your ass, with all due respect. Saying "well, the communist movement already has a (minuscule) presence in these countries, so there's no need for the most powerful nation in the world to provide material support to the progressive movements across the globe" is very disturbing, and enables these far-right movements to thrive. There's an ideological war going on. Having Bernie or Liz internationalize their movements is perhaps the most important foreign policy tenet at this moment in history. You're smarter than this.



Your desire to virtue signal has led you to make what is a really stupid point here, divorced from reality. The primary relationship the United States has with those three countries is rendered through a militaristic lens due to the geopolitical history of these regions. I would find your inability to connect the presence of literal military troops in these countries with their population's quest for self-determination to be stunningly idiotic if I didn't believe you were being disingenuous with this point. I'd like you to tell the people of Yemen that the United States' militaristic and financial support of the Saudi regime is inconsequential to the existential state of their nation and people, that it's just a "troops, money, and bills" kind of thing, that if they were truly "living in the moment fighting for self determination" they would be concerned about other affairs, as they have genocide perpetrated against them.


Congratulations, you've discovered how disgusting the mainstream US foreign policy, both Democrat and Republican, is towards Palestinian people! Warren has held some horrific views on this issue. Even Bernie has parroted genocidal "both sides" rhetoric against the Palestinian people, and he's the best candidate on this specific issue! If you're a single issue voter on Israel-Palestine, Bernie is probably the choice for you, but Noam Chomsky isn't on the ballot. I wish he was, and it's a fukking shame that these are our options...but these are our options. There are no clean hands, just some with less blood on them than others. I honestly respect anyone who refuses to vote based on that. I'm sure as hell not here to convince anyone Elizabeth Warren has a clean record or is even the best candidate when it comes to this issue.

This was such an egregiously bad post that I think it's time to bring back the HL debate series.

 

[King Kreole]

This was such an egregiously bad post that I think it's time to bring back the HL debate series.

I’m not familiar with what that is, but I love debate, so I’m intrigued.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

This was such an egregiously bad post that I think it's time to bring back the HL debate series.

I’m not familiar with what that is, but I love debate, so I’m intrigued.

Isn't one of the points of this forum.... debate?

 

[FAH1223]

 

[storyteller]

Young Bern has already proven he has a direct and well thought-out response to the communist stuff that you can take or leave though.

So far, Liz’ response to the Indian thing has been a whole lotta

Seek out Nap propaganda posts and you'll see the deck the Republicans are playing with. It's mostly BS but you gotta remember, these people have twisted themselves into pretzels to justify Trump's behavior in EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE. So it's gonna be arbitrary and decontextualized claims that they throw at him.

- Bernie owning a home in DC where he works and one in Vermont where he resides (makes sense) + a home bought off of inheritance from Jane's parents, that even plays with centrist Dems.
- When they mention he too voted for the crime bill or bring up that he wasn't as good on guns and foreign policy in the past; that's gonna play.
- The Sanders think tank that literally did nothing wrong and shut down specifically to avoid BS accusations? Nap already tried to treat that like a conspiracy.
- Jane Sanders accused of fraud by phony Republican groups that constantly bring up bogus charges on Dems which get tossed out of court every time? The Republicans'll eat it up.

The claims don't need to have much legs to them but they don't have to. If someone doesn't like Bernie, they'll use them and if someone is on the Conservative side, they'll eat it up. There's probably a Russian meme factory prepping for any of the big three (Biden, Warren, Sanders) so that they can go after either low information centrists against Bernie, progressives against Biden, or the fringes of either side against Warren. It's just par for the course.

 

[storyteller]

Shoulda went with Ellison.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Isn't one of the points of this forum.... debate?

Nah on the IC and SOHH they used to have separate threads that were specifically for 1v1 or team debates so people could stay focused on the topic at hand and not derail other threads.

I think we did a few back in '13/14