2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[FAH1223]

Bernie has a nice cozy living room

 

[King Kreole]

I'm in agreement. I'm interested in his end game since he was one of the people who wanted Warren to run in 2016.

Obviously he wants dems to be on their toes and knows its going to be a dogfight in 2020 that will depend heavily on turnout.


Is this his way of making her appeal to moderates?

Yeah, I think he genuinely thinks he's helping her appeal to the establishment. Also, even though I like Reid, I don't think he's a dyed in the wool progressive, so I'm not sure he truly believes in M4A. Either way, he needs to chill with all that talk and stay on code. Bruh talking like he ain't being recorded on national TV

 

[King Kreole]

People forget how pragmatic Bernie can be. His supporters forget how he abandoned Tim Canova during his primary race against Debbi Wasserman Schultz, in order to get some of his priorities into the democratic platform. Also he stated he wouldn’t vote for The affordable care act without a public option. He held out till the last moment and voted for the Affordable Care Act without an public option. To his credit he was able to extract funding for community health centers and a few other concessions. Point is Both Bernie and Liz are going to try to get the best deals they can. I hope the base don’t turn on them if they expand health but it is not Medicare For All.

Yep. He has a strong and admirable history of pushing for the most progressive option but coming to the table and being willing to cede some ground to get things done when the time comes. Bolded is my big concern considering a lot of the rhetoric from extreme Sanders supporters. I think they're mostly engaged in hero worship of Bernie though, so if he wins I'm sure they'll just support whatever he does. If Liz wins...could get ugly in those circles. Just have to keep reminding myself that the anti-Liz Berners are numerically inconsequential.

 

[King Kreole]

lol i'm very aware of Bernie's pragmatism and most supporters are aware that medicare for all will not magically be passed in the first two years or whatever. Bernie is on record saying he will supporting other Democrats in the primaries anyway.

It's about messaging and Bernie is the best medicare for all messenger by far. He hasn't wavered on it all and no political people or journalists are saying he will move away from it in the general. Look at how he was doing rallies to save Obamacare and how he does town halls to talk about people's medical problems and then goes into talking about medicare for all. Now apply this to a hypothetical Bernie presidency where he's the most powerful person. Bernie knows how message it and will make it more popular than it already it is now.

In the primary, medicare for all is my number one issue. It's non negotiable which is why anyone who has health care as their number one issue should be voting for him. I've quoted you in the past with her questionable quotes, journos and other candidates noticing her wishy washiness on it.

Right now, most of the negative ads in America attacking M4A are going after Bernie, not Liz. Will she will be more likely to defend Medicare for All when there's billions in ads from the GOP, pharma, hospitals, insurers, doctors? Doesn't seem likely

And I'm sure Harry Reid knows very well. Harry was Senate Majority when he recruited Warren to build the CFPB and she was then recruited by him to run for Senate in 2012.

Yeah, Bernie is definitely the strongest M4A messenger. He wrote the damn bill. And I totally trust him to do the right thing and sign the best possible bill when the time comes.

Given that, I can understand why a healthcare-only voter would prefer Bernie, but I just don't see the situation where the healthcare outcome under Bernie vs the healthcare outcome under Liz is different. The level of "wishy-washiness" that Liz has displayed is irrelevant because they're both to the left of what will be possible on healthcare. I don't understand what "defending Medicare for All" means or looks like in your hypothetical. Publicly call out the corporate pressure campaign? That's her bread and butter (see: Facebook). Attempt to convince and win over establishment Dems? Her insider strategy makes her far better positioned to pull that off than Bernie.

 

[A.R.$]

Yep. He has a strong and admirable history of pushing for the most progressive option but coming to the table and being willing to cede some ground to get things done when the time comes. Bolded is my big concern considering a lot of the rhetoric from extreme Sanders supporters. I think they're mostly engaged in hero worship of Bernie though, so if he wins I'm sure they'll just support whatever he does. If Liz wins...could get ugly in those circles. Just have to keep reminding myself that the anti-Liz Berners are numerically inconsequential.

I agree. For a lot of them it is definitely cult of personality. But I can see the Jimmy Dore’s of the world calling him a sellout if he signs a healthcare bill that is not M4A.

Some on the left have completely erased Liz history of fighting against big financial interests. They are literally saying she never fought against power

 

[King Kreole]

Some on the left have completely erased Liz history of fighting against big financial interests. They are literally saying she never fought against power

It's completely nuts breh. Emma Vigeland has been doing the good work and pushing back against that shyt, but the lack of historical knowledge and susceptibility to patently false smears amongst that crowd is really disturbing. People calling her an Obama lackey. Elizabeth fukkin Warren. lol god help us. I honestly think it's a result of Trump destroying the value of truthfulness.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Attractive, war veteran promoting peace as a platform. Of course she has stans. In any other election, she'd be a top-tier candidate.

Though, she does come off as someone with an agenda and a kamikaze penchant.

A. She's not promoting peace, she promoting non-interventionism. They are different. Trump has been showing you that already.

B. The strength of the "what we need is a fresh new Democratic face who served in the military!" candidate is theory, not reality. They get way more hype than they deserve and then voters realize that being in the military isn't actually a platform and they get bushed. It ain't just Tulsi - remember Wesley Clark? Is Pete Buttigieg still around?

 

[afterlife2009]

Yeah, Bernie is definitely the strongest M4A messenger. He wrote the damn bill. And I totally trust him to do the right thing and sign the best possible bill when the time comes.

Given that, I can understand why a healthcare-only voter would prefer Bernie, but I just don't see the situation where the healthcare outcome under Bernie vs the healthcare outcome under Liz is different. The level of "wishy-washiness" that Liz has displayed is irrelevant because they're both to the left of what will be possible on healthcare. I don't understand what "defending Medicare for All" means or looks like in your hypothetical. Publicly call out the corporate pressure campaign? That's her bread and butter (see: Facebook). Attempt to convince and win over establishment Dems? Her insider strategy makes her far better positioned to pull that off than Bernie.

her facebook and tech stuff is definitely hitting.

Here's my thing: I think I mentioned this to you before but her m4a plan on her website has super concerning language. There’s isn't a mention of eliminating premiums, co-pays, or deductibles. Nothing about expanding Medicare to cover dental, vision, hearing, and mental care. Nothing about prohibiting private insurers from competing with the public Medicare for All program and no reference to “single payer” health care at all.

It also mentions improving insurers’ compliance & Medicaid to tackle the opioid crisis. Medicaid and other insurers would not exist in Jayapal and Sanders' medicare for all bill. It would just fall under the m4a bill. People like me who care about this want a serious commitment. There's been too many bad signals.

I trust Bernie to pursue it because dude has been talking about a national health care system since the 1980's and even if he may not get it I know he won’t stop agitating for it and making a case to the public to make it more popular than it already is. A Medicare for all rally or town hall with Bernie in office with people talking about their medical bills would be

 

[Warren Moon]

Another day, another fraud.

Warren ppl are silento as usual.

She’s a fraud been a fraud.

Lied about bn a republican, Native American, why she was fired from her job, and now this.

Eventually y’all going to see the light

 

[Warren Moon]

You always in here spreading fake news. Next to Bernie she has the most donors and attracting the most crowds.

All these minorities in here and we mostly going with warren because she’s one of the most genuine candidates, has charisma and puts out plans that would benefit our communities. you out here talking shyt on an old lady that could be your grandmother. Respect your elders

Plenty of Biden supporters in here. We’re just not posting articles every hour like y’all.

Biden’s winning anyway

 

[afterlife2009]

Plenty of Biden supporters in here. We’re just not posting articles every hour like y’all.

Biden’s winning anyway

Report: Biden campaign plans to lose Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada

I actually think Biden's team preparing for losses in Iowa, NH, Nevada then winning SC and cleaning up Super Tuesday could work out. I know everybody keeps mentioning the scenario of him bleeding support if he loses those states but I think he's a lot stronger than some are making out.

Did you guys see the last North Carolina poll? He's at a bigger margin with black voters than in South Carolina. He just needs to not get blown out in any of the early states to pull this off. Most voters still see him as the best to beat Trump.

 

[Warren Moon]

She doesn’t have a woopsie moment. She’s a flat out liar for decades













Wtf





She isn’t a child making up these blatant falsehoods. It’s a 55+ year old grown woman! Who’s an elected official and clearly delusional

Y’all believe this person

 

[Pressure]

Warren ppl are silento as usual.

She’s a fraud been a fraud.

Lied about bn a republican, Native American, why she was fired from her job, and now this.

Eventually y’all going to see the light

I see a very successful candidate who has a very Good voting record, strong policy positions, and a willingness to explain how she plans to 'pay for her proposals.'

She speaks on race about as well as you can expect for a white presidential candidate.

I appreciate that she's aware that all of her stated positions won't go through exactly as she says and therefore doesn't promise pie in the sky change despite platforming it.

Yall gotta do better.

 

[Warren Moon]

I see a very successful candidate who has a very Good voting record, strong policy positions, and a willingness to explain how she plans to 'pay for her proposals.'

She speaks on race about as well as you can expect for a white presidential candidate.

I appreciate that she's aware that all of her stated positions won't go through exactly as she says and therefore doesn't promise pie in the sky change despite platforming it.

Yall gotta do better.

Cool let’s break it down then.

When did warren start speaking about race?what was her position on race when she ran for her senate seat?

Since your a fan.

 

[Pressure]

Cool let’s break it down then.

When did warren start speaking about race?what was her position on race when she ran for her senate seat?

Since your a fan.

You do know she just won re-election less than a year ago?