2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[the next guy]

ANother troll on ignore

I posted that story to point out Kamala did put all those black people in Jail. She did.

 

[Warren Moon]

Dude, the problem isn't the technology in and of itself. The reason antitrust was formed was because concentration of market power in the hands of a small number of large actors breeds antidemocratic conditions. It creates lopsided balances of power between working people and the owners of capital, giving those few, large, wealthy actors an outsized ability to enact their will in our political arena and society at large. Standard of living for working people is reduced, which creates social disorder. Breaking up these tech monopolies would create market choice in with multiple social media outlets or search engines, spreading out the accumulation of value and wealth created by these new technologies. The standard operating procedure for these monopolies is to acquire potential rivals and kill any features/technological advances that may compete with their products. They're sitting on goldmines of progress that should be unleashed.

Got u, you’re wrong but I get what ur talking about. So if there are broken up. Y’all really think ppl with more choices won’t just gravitate towards the best search engine or the social network with the most ppl on it?

Your using antitrust laws that are decades old where they could force ppl to buy from certain companies bc of what region they’re in.

Your using 1940 logic for 2020 issues. The internet isnt oil or telecom. You can’t force ppl to use certain search engines or social networks.

The only reason antitrust worked for standard oil and at&t is because they forced the new companies to only compete in certain regions.

The internet doesn’t work like that.

Yang already told y’all.

 

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[Pressure]

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucus

I'm actually surprised that Pete is polling the same as Bernie in Iowa.

 

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[King Kreole]

Got u, you’re wrong but I get what ur talking about. So if there are broken up. Y’all really think ppl with more choices won’t just gravitate towards the best search engine or the social network with the most ppl on it?

Your using antitrust laws that are decades old where they could force ppl to buy from certain companies bc of what region they’re in.

Your using 1940 logic for 2020 issues. The internet isnt oil or telecom. You can’t force ppl to use certain search engines or social networks.

The only reason antitrust worked for standard oil and at&t is because they forced the new companies to only compete in certain regions.

The internet doesn’t work like that.

Yang already told y’all.

And Yang was roundly criticized by the experts on this matter for making that dumbass statement. Referring to the age of antitrust laws as an argument for why they should no longer be utilized is so ludicrous as to not warrant rebuttal. Should we no longer enforce any laws that are more than 50 years old? Also, you have it backward. The whole point of antitrust efforts is to stop people from being forced to use one single company/product like we are right now. Right now, you don't have a real choice in search engine, you have to use Google. You don't have a real choice in social network, you have to use Facebook or one of its subsidiaries. They control the market. Breaking up Facebook would mean I have three choices in social media instead of one. Breaking up Google means that I'm not forced into feeding the Google Bundle (YouTube, Nest, Chrome, etc) every time I use their search engine, which would create more space for other search engines to emerge.

The internet is in fact like telecom and oil in that they're all critical industries that are heavily concentrated. They all featured companies with monopolistic strangleholds on their markets, and just like telecom and oil, breaking up big tech would produce large gains in social progress, technological advancement, and economic benefits.

Your regionality argument is half-cooked. AT&T and Standard Oil were geographically-organized entities in geographically-dependent industries, hence why they were broken up along geographic lines. Creating Facebook NorthEast and Facebook SouthWest would be a nonsensical way to organize antitrust action against Facebook, unless the government starts rationing internet access based on region, because Facebook and the internet are not regionally based entities in that way. Digital space is just as relevant as geographic space in this century. You gotta update your thinking. What needs to happen is big tech firms - and concentrated firms across the entire economy - need to have their (illegal btw) horizontal and vertical acquisitions forcefully divested because they're creating harmful network effects and hoarding value creation, which would allow for more breathing room for new companies and products in the digital space. As Warren says, Amazon can either be the empire or a team in the realm of online retail, not both. Facebook cannot hold a social media monopoly by owning Instagram and Whatsapp. Google cannot have their search monopoly give their other product lines an undue advantage. A lot of it comes down to advertising though. Breaking these companies up would break the strangehold they have on advertising, which would lead to a healthier journalism environment, which would lead to a healthier civic society.

 

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[Warren Moon]

And Yang was roundly criticized by the experts on this matter for making that dumbass statement. Referring to the age of antitrust laws as an argument for why they should no longer be utilized is so ludicrous as to not warrant rebuttal. Should we no longer enforce any laws that are more than 50 years old? Also, you have it backward. The whole point of antitrust efforts is to stop people from being forced to use one single company/product like we are right now. Right now, you don't have a real choice in search engine, you have to use Google. You don't have a real choice in social network, you have to use Facebook or one of its subsidiaries. They control the market. Breaking up Facebook would mean I have three choices in social media instead of one. Breaking up Google means that I'm not forced into feeding the Google Bundle (YouTube, Nest, Chrome, etc) every time I use their search engine, which would create more space for other search engines to emerge.

The internet is in fact like telecom and oil in that they're all critical industries that are heavily concentrated. They all featured companies with monopolistic strangleholds on their markets, and just like telecom and oil, breaking up big tech would produce large gains in social progress, technological advancement, and economic benefits.

Your regionality argument is half-cooked. AT&T and Standard Oil were geographically-organized entities in geographically-dependent industries, hence why they were broken up along geographic lines. Creating Facebook NorthEast and Facebook SouthWest would be a nonsensical way to organize antitrust action against Facebook, unless the government starts rationing internet access based on region, because Facebook and the internet are not regionally based entities in that way. Digital space is just as relevant as geographic space in this century. You gotta update your thinking. What needs to happen is big tech firms - and concentrated firms across the entire economy - need to have their (illegal btw) horizontal and vertical acquisitions forcefully divested because they're creating harmful network effects and hoarding value creation, which would allow for more breathing room for new companies and products in the digital space. As Warren says, Amazon can either be the empire or a team in the realm of online retail, not both. Facebook cannot hold a social media monopoly by owning Instagram and Whatsapp. Google cannot have their search monopoly give their other product lines an undue advantage. A lot of it comes down to advertising though. Breaking these companies up would break the strangehold they have on advertising, which would lead to a healthier journalism environment, which would lead to a healthier civic society.

You don’t have to use google. Bing and yahoo are available. Most true tech ppl use duck duck go.


How is anyone forced to use google? There are 100’s pd other options.


Antitrust was put into place for pricing reasons. Google and fb are free.


No one is forced to use faceboook. There are 100s of other options.


The only one with any merit is amazon. They can’t be the platform.

No one is forced to use google or fb. Please explain to me how they are??


You couldn’t buy oil from anyone else but standard oil.

You couldn’t get telecom services from anyone else but AT&T.

You can delete your fb, WhatsApp and ig right now and go to Tencent, Twitter, tumbler, Snapchat etc.

And if you really think google is forcing you to use their platform, you’re a weak willed man . You know what you can do to not use google. Just never Type www.google.com, it’s like magic you’ll never have to associate yourself with the company you hate


And your self selected social media reality about yang doesn’t make it true. Just bc you follow warren supporters doesn’t mean everyone disagreed with yang. That’s just your ppl not most ppl.

 

[King Kreole]

You don’t have to use google. Bing and yahoo are available. Most true tech ppl use duck duck go.


How is anyone forced to use google? There are 100’s pd other options.

You don't have to use a car or bus, you could walk 7 hours to work! You have choices!
You've never heard of a false choice?

Antitrust was put into place for pricing reasons. Google and fb are free.

It was a conservative project in the 70s and 80s to turn antitrust into a consumer-price oriented scheme, word to Robert Bork. Read up on the antitrust literature from the turn of the 20th century, word to Louis Brandies and William Jennings Bryan. Standard Oil wasn't broken up because oil prices were too high, it was broken up because it was too fukking big and its bigness was the source of a whole host of attendant social and political problems.

No one is forced to use google or fb. Please explain to me how they are??

The point of antitrust isn't that the entire population is using one monopolized product, it's that within the relevant industry there is no space for other companies to compete. Go look up the search engine market share and compare Google's numbers to duckduckgo's . Go look up the social media market share and compare FB+IG+WhatsApp to any single other social media company. Amazon simply releasing a press release stating they're looking at entering a certain industry is enough to destroy the stock of competitors. That's a big fukking problem.

And if you really think google is forcing you to use their platform, you’re a weak willed man . You know what you can do to not use google. Just never Type www.google.com, it’s like magic you’ll never have to associate yourself with the company you hate

This is a silly argument you're making. If Netflix bought out every other media production company in the market, would you say "This isn't a problem, just go to plays!"

Again, the issue isn't Google putting a gun to your head and making you type in google.com, it's that if I need to use a search engine, the market has a dearth of choice because of anti-competitive behaviours from Google and an abdication of the government's responsibility to produce a healthy marketplace and society by utilizing the antitrust laws on the books.

 

[Wargames]

do these guys get really good p*ssy or money for supporting Republicans or are they just brainwashed?

 

[Warren Moon]

You don't have to use a car or bus, you could walk 7 hours to work! You have choices!
You've never heard of a false choice?

It was a conservative project in the 70s and 80s to turn antitrust into a consumer-price oriented scheme, word to Robert Bork. Read up on the antitrust literature from the turn of the 20th century, word to Louis Brandies and William Jennings Bryan. Standard Oil wasn't broken up because oil prices were too high, it was broken up because it was too fukking big and its bigness was the source of a whole host of attendant social and political problems.

The point of antitrust isn't that the entire population is using one monopolized product, it's that within the relevant industry there is no space for other companies to compete. Go look up the search engine market share and compare Google's numbers to duckduckgo's . Go look up the social media market share and compare FB+IG+WhatsApp to any single other social media company. Amazon simply releasing a press release stating they're looking at entering a certain industry is enough to destroy the stock of competitors. That's a big fukking problem.


This is a silly argument you're making. If Netflix bought out every other media production company in the market, would you say "This isn't a problem, just go to plays!"

Again, the issue isn't Google putting a gun to your head and making you type in google.com, it's that if I need to use a search engine, the market has a dearth of choice because of anti-competitive behaviours from Google and an abdication of the government's responsibility to produce a healthy marketplace and society by utilizing the antitrust laws on the books.

I worked in m&a law intern for a vault 100 as junior undergrad. I think I know a bit more than u about how antitrust law started and is implemented .

I’ve also worked in m&a for almost a decade Now.

You’re wrong buddy

 

[Jhoon]

do these guys get really good p*ssy or money for supporting Republicans or are they just brainwashed?

When I was young I wanted to give them a chance to redeem themselves. I thought they could be saved. They can’t be saved. You have to take the Thanos approach to c00ns.

it’s not p*ssy it’s just a shytty perception of the word around them .

 

[dtownreppin214]

at the enthusiasm from the Bernie folks. This man is going to either be a helluva kingmaker for Warren or that army of volunteers/supporters might put him over the edge. I'm curious to see how his campaign plans to activate his army when we get closer to primaries. Cenk should get out of that studio and do more of this.

 

[King Kreole]

I worked in m&a law intern for a vault 100 as junior undergrad. I think I know a bit more than u about how antitrust law started and is implemented .

I’ve also worked in m&a for almost a decade Now.

You’re wrong buddy

bro on the real, and i mean this with all due respect...but if this is true, you playing with fire making these dogshyt posts on a public forum, if your firm finds out you gonna get fired with quickness

and you better get that money back from whatever school you went to because they committed educational malpractice on you if you left with these beliefs