2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Fukk your corny debates
I didn't say contracting happened because of Obamacare. Due to agreed-upon increase in the ease and implementation of contracting and outsourcing work, it makes it very easy for businesses to do so in order to avoid the head tax. They can avoid a head tax and many will. Any projections of cost based on expected revenue from head tax can't be relied upon as long as evasion is so easy. You don't have that problem with a payroll tax. Math isn't right wing thinking.
Possibly. Or it could be that Warren supporters such as yourself just get so enamored and jerk off to policy papers to that extent that you place that feeling over how things will actually get done. Nobody gives a fukk about your plan if it only works on paper. Single payer healthcare is the probably the most important policy goal for the next President. It'll be one of the first things President Bernie or Liz pushes. I found it preferable to go into it with an approach that doesn't presuppose a myriad of assumptions and moving parts in which funding is dependent upon other large-scale reform legislation to exist. That's how the ACA got sabotaged (exchanges not competing across state lines, SCOTUS ruling Medicaid expansion is optional for states, price controls getting gutted, etc.) I don't understand. When the first round of critiques of Liz' plan came here you were basically saying who cares about the details it won't get passed as is anyway. Now you've done a 180 and are self-aggrandizing about how Warren supporters have superior wonkiness, vision, and judgment.See, this is what Liz talks about when she rails against a smallness of vision and political incrementalist cowardice, and I find it...interesting...that these objections are now coming from the "revolution, not reform" crowd.
It strikes me as naive to believe you can institute M4A without impacting the state of labor rights or tax structure or even immigration reform. Requiring contractors to pay a head tax is not a magic wand that will make these massive interconnected issues disappear. So yes, she has interlinked healthcare reform with reform in other areas of the social economy because they are already interlinked and she is a structural, intersectional thinker. This seems to be a big dividing line between pro-Liz and anti-Liz factions. If you don't see how all these massive social institutions are interrelated and how you can't make large alterations to one without impacting the other, then you're probably not going to find this plan, or Liz in general, particularly appealing. But those of us who think in structural terms can appreciate how Liz is connecting the dots. Which is one of the reasons we find her plan(s) superior. You seem to be advocating for a movement isolationist approach to social change, whereas Liz's vision is one where linking movements together increases their power and builds a large-scale change. Now immigration rights groups and labor rights groups and anti-War groups have a vested interest in getting M4A passed. All these groups pushing together in the same direction. Some might call that...a revolution.
If you implement Bernie's vision which involves increases in payroll taxes, and increases in incomes of higher percentage brackets, you have a more robust framework to work with without allowing business to evade contributions and depend on getting immigration reform and tax reform passed. That you can build about that framework and dovetail other policy reforms into the larger picture as practical.
By labor reorganization I meant what we're already talking about: contracting/outsourcing/moving to firms with less than 50, and yes those things are easy to do.
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15,000 in Minneapolis for Bernie, Ilhan Omar, Keith Ellison
Brother Ali and New Power Generation
Im lovin it
But i dont think he surpasses Pete let alone Biden, Bernie or Warren
Good run though
Yang's base is under-sampled in the polls. His biggest problem is with Boomers who haven't heard of him yet.
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
The last few pages illustrate the difference between progressives and Bernie sycophants aka leftists.
WOAT level posting considering you yourself advocate for a plan that will get rid of all private insurance.
It doesn't count though because he's a tulip*.@King Kreole taking these niccas to church
You know because calling him a plant is the only counter they have.
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
Who is your choice for Speaker? Please don't name some backbencher or upstart who obviously wouldn't garner enough moderate support to challenge her.
Pelosi may just be posturing for the "well, how do we pay for it?" wine moms in the suburbs who delivered the House to us. I remember being annoyed with PayGo earlier this year; however, it was largely ignored when they really wanted to pass something. I think she'll earnestly try to pass the next Dem POTUS's agenda.
As Nap said, y'all don't always need to take her, or any other politician, at face value...
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Rest In Power Kobe
Why would Trump lose support there? There was very little crossover and economic anxiety was a myth.
he barely won WI, MI and PA. All evidence this far shows he’s underwater in those states
you think he’s gained support there?!
No. I don't. I think his support is the same and the polling reflects the low turnout scenario.
The question still remains, will dems register new voters and get them to turnout st a high rate.
Nate back with the fukkery. Looks like his team did what I said they should have done in the 2018 polling cycle, and actually interviewed the participants they polled to see why they responded the way they did.
And yeah, the reason why the numbers are so close is because about 2/3 of Obama-Trump voters who were polled, supported the Democrats in 2018, but plan on voting for Trump in 2020. They still like Trump, but have soured on congressional Republicans.
And yeah, the reason why the numbers are so close is because about 2/3 of Obama-Trump voters who were polled, supported the Democrats in 2018, but plan on voting for Trump in 2020. They still like Trump, but have soured on congressional Republicans.