2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[King Kreole]

Exactly, it's going both ways. I've seen it on Facebook and other boards where both sides are attacking each other. I'm looking at it from an objective POV because I'm not on anybody's team 100% right now.

All the back and forth by Warren and Sanders and Gabbard supporters in here just proves my point.

It's really not that surprising that the two progressive candidates in 2nd and 3rd place would eventually come into conflict. There can be only one nominee. And unless you believe there's no difference between Warren and Sanders, which is a refrain I keep hearing from the squishes, why wouldn't one candidate try and take the other candidate's support and consolidate the left. As long as the left is split, Biden will be the nominee.

 

[wire28]

These are the same people who call themselves "Liberals" and "Progressives."

They really show their asses when Bernie posts something about Black people and reparations and the comments be looking mighty .

I find it interesting how everything from LGBTQ rights to illegal immigration is not off the table, but somehow Black people's issues will offend people.

They expose themselves every day. That’s why I rarely engage them to any meaningful extent anymore, I already know what time it is with them.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

They expose themselves every day. That’s why I rarely engage them to any meaningful extent anymore, I already know what time it is with them.

Oh that's why. lol

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Look, if you don't think the actions of a campaign's staff, leadership, and base of support are a legitimate area of insight into a candidacy, then we'll have to agree to disagree. I've laid out why I think it is. And as I said before, I don't mind a campaign fighting for their candidate as long as the "attacks" are valid. My problem isn't that Bernie's team are going on the offensive, it's that their attacks are offensively stupid.

As for whether or not it's a significant amount of his political support engaging in this thinking, I think Bernie has captured the segment of the left that is outside of the mainstream. More than any other candidate, his base of support consists of the disgruntled and antagonistic. That has the potential to be both a good thing and a bad thing. When his campaign leadership feeds into the stupider, more paranoid sentiments of these people (the polls are skewed, Liz is a crypto-imperialist neoliberal shill, Bernie is beyond criticism, etc) it breeds an atmosphere that can degenerate pretty quickly. It would be tragic if the movement Bernie's building devolves into the Jacobin-left type behavior and thinking as the race goes on. There is so much more at stake here than petty grudges. The actions of his campaign make me wonder if winning or embarrassing centrists is their primary goal.

So all the criticism from the leadership of Bernie's campaign is stupid and paranoid? Wow, I'll have to pay closer attention going forward to make sure that's the case.

 

[Worthless Loser]

My main issue is that I don't think I'll ever be convinced that Warren can beat Trump. Otherwise I'd be behind her 100%.

 

[King Kreole]

So all the criticism from the leadership of Bernie's campaign is stupid and paranoid? Wow, I'll have to pay closer attention going forward to make sure that's the case.

Yeah paying attention is generally a prerequisite for understanding and commenting on a situation.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

yeah, can we stop this "both camps need to stop attacking each other" thing when it's pretty clearly one camp that's going after the other? Bernie's camp has been subtweeting the shyt out of Warren ever since she started ascending. The same has not been true the other way around. I don't even think it's a bad thing for a camp to fight for their candidate or highlight perceived differences, I just want the record to show it's Bernie's team that's taken the aggressive stance here.

When you said the above you quoted the following:


Both of which are criticism about policy not name calling or questioning polls like you just said. Why mischaracterize it?

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Yeah paying attention is generally a prerequisite for understanding and commenting on a situation.

Yeah, maybe we both need to pay closer attention. lol

 

[88m3]

This Isn’t Going According to Plan for Kirsten Gillibrand

 

[King Kreole]

When you said the above you quoted the following:


Both of which are criticism about policy not name calling or questioning polls like you just said. Why mischaracterize it?

Are you under the impression that the only actions I'm referring to are the ones you quoted?

Both Faiz Shakir and David Sirota made idiotic comments about polls. As you admitted, you haven't been paying close attention, so I can understand if you missed them. Here they are:





And I'm really not sure why we're playing dumb about the comments Sirota made. When Hickenlooper or some other centrist dipshyt says how socialism is evil, are we supposed to say "Well, he didn't say Bernie's name, so who knows who he's talking about, he's just talking about policy " . Again, you admitted you haven't been paying close attention, so I understand why you might have missed this, but the line coming out of Bernie's camp about why he's a superior candidate to Liz is that she's a technocrat who wants to make minor changes around the edges of the system whereas Bernie wants to overturn the whole thing. With that context, it doesn't take a genius to see how Sirota's comment now takes on a new light.

 

[King Kreole]

anyway this is getting boring

 

[wire28]

Oh that's why. lol

You’re the Tony Stark to my Steve Rogers. I know deep down you mean well cause you’re marvel gang to the death of you but this Bernie gang shyt you got going on hurts my soul :SpideyWow:

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Are you under the impression that the only actions I'm referring to are the ones you quoted?

Both Faiz Shakir and David Sirota made idiotic comments about polls. As you admitted, you haven't been paying close attention, so I can understand if you missed them. Here they are:





And I'm really not sure why we're playing dumb about the comments Sirota made. When Hickenlooper or some other centrist dipshyt says how socialism is evil, are we supposed to say "Well, he didn't say Bernie's name, so who knows who he's talking about, he's just talking about policy " . Again, you admitted you haven't been paying close attention, so I understand why you might have missed this, but the line coming out of Bernie's camp about why he's a superior candidate to Liz is that she's a technocrat who wants to make minor changes around the edges of the system whereas Bernie wants to overturn the whole thing. With that context, it doesn't take a genius to see how Sirota's comment now takes on a new light.

Cool beans, but your comments about them questioning polls and calling Warren names isn't what sparked the 'for the record' declaration today. Pretty disingenuous my G.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

You’re the Tony Stark to my Steve Rogers. I know deep down you mean well cause you’re marvel gang to the death of you but this Bernie gang shyt you got going on hurts my soul :SpideyWow:

You said we would either save the universe or lose together Steve, and you lied!

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

As long as the left is split, Biden will be the nominee.

So Warren should drop out?