2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I hear you and broadly agree, but she has addressed it to the degree it can be addressed. She apologized, said why it was a mistake to do so, met with Native community leaders, and then released a comprehensive policy plan to bolster the Native American community. That's not going to make the issue disappear, but nothing will. So it's either she drops out right now because Trump plans on calling her Pocahantas during the general, or she nuts up and moves on. She's chosen the latter. She's obviously not the same first time political candidate she was when she ran for Senate, so I'm not sure the comparison is valid.

I disagree that she's gotten a red carpet treatment by the press. She was totally written off right after she announced and rolled out the DNA video. People were writing her campaign obit. She fought and earned her way to the top by running a fantastic campaign. But the press and other campaigns are turning up the heat on her again and going negative now that she's co-frontrunner, so to your point we're already seeing any "red carpet treatment" end.

in fact, she's gone harder to speak to native Americans more than any other candidate.

 

[wire28]

This nikka really went on for pages about warren having problems like the nikka in office now don’t got a laundry list of lies and crimes

There is no reason to hold the Native American thing against warren when her opponent is trump unless you were looking for reasons to vote against her

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

So she identified as Cherokee because she was proud of being Cherokee and not because there was something to gain from it?

you Bernie bros keep wanting to make her Rachel Dolezal or Shaun King...when's she's really ...Canelo Alvarez

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

White people claiming Native heritage is in fact a real problem. And it doesn't start and end with Elizabeth Warren. You can't throw a rock at a crowd of white people in Oklahoma without hitting one who claims to be Native or have Native ancestry, particularly Cherokee. For white people like Elizabeth Warren (aka white people with Liberal beliefs), it's a way to offload the cognitive dissonance of knowing that their racial identity is tied to white supremacy. For them, whiteness is a stain and a burden, and they try to displace it through identification with a non-white racial group. The unique and tragic history of Native American communities means they're the closest viable identity to adopt. You should get educated on this topic.

No, you are not part Cherokee.

Regardless, contrary to the Republican talking point you're regurgitating in here, there is absolutely no evidence that Elizabeth Warren ever materially benefitted from identifying as a Native American. If you have done some investigative journalism around this and found evidence, I would advise you to reach out to the Boston Globe's world-renowned investigative journalism team and inform them of their mistake.

Also Oklahoma isn't in the midwest, it's in the South.

Lol this is why I laugh at you and your stunning arrogance and lack of self-awareness. I actually know white people who claim native American heritage...grew up with them and work with them in different states, etc.

Now let’s examine how full of fail this post is.

You made a blanket statement about “people like Elizabeth Warren” based on some shyt you read as a white man in Slovenia or wherever who has never actually interacted with the subjects you’re examining.

White people who claim native American are a mixed bag and do not share some kind of ideological commonality centered around whatever you regurgitated from whatever you read. For one, you ascribed them as liberal, and you’re wrong. I’ve known some self-hating whigger types that claim native and have tats of chiefs and all. But I also known some that are hardcore Trumpers....and all points inbetween. Unlike you, I won’t try and give a psychological diagnosis the whole lot of them from the eastern bloc.

You used Elizabeth Warren as an example of this type of white liberal. That doesn’t even make sense cause she was a Republican til she was like 45, so she didn’t grow up liberal.

You’re ducking the main point still: she lied about her race.

Even if she didn’t benefit personally, Harvard benefited and she allowed them to list her as a minority professor for years, boosting their diversity statistics while keeping an actual minority out of a spot the stats would reflect...while not giving a fukk about native issues on campus...peak entitled white woman. The benefit she got is whatever it is that made her feel like she should lie about her race. She was happy to call herself a minority professor.

And by the way, even if OK isn’t technically part of the midwest people call it the midwest in casual convo, and it’s not considered the south, dummy. You’d know that if you were American. It’s the southwest technically.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This nikka really went on for pages about warren having problems like the nikka in office now don’t got a laundry list of lies and crimes

There is no reason to hold the Native American thing against warren when her opponent is trump unless you were looking for reasons to vote against her

my favorite warren criticism is that she was a lawyer who made a lot of money

Thats the problem when you're running against losers like Sanders who didn't have a job until he turned 40 (first time he ever voted too)

Some of y'all hate success

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

hillary status: still terrible

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

This nikka really went on for pages about warren having problems like the nikka in office now don’t got a laundry list of lies and crimes

There is no reason to hold the Native American thing against warren when her

What does Trump being a piece of shyt have to do with Warren needing new voters in key states?

Trump was a piece of shyt in 2016. If you haven’t noticed yet, Warren will lose to Trump unless she gets people who didn’t vote last time out to the polls. Have you seen how Warren polls against Trump in the swing states??? It doesn’t look good.

 

[King Kreole]

Lol this is why I laugh at you and your stunning arrogance and lack of self-awareness. I actually know white people who claim native American heritage...grew up with them and work with them in different states, etc.

Now let’s examine how full of fail this post is.

You made a blanket statement about “people like Elizabeth Warren” based on some shyt you read as a white man in Slovenia or wherever who has never actually interacted with the subjects you’re examining.

White people who claim native American are a mixed bag and do not share some kind of ideological commonality centered around whatever you regurgitated from whatever you read. For one, you ascribed them as liberal, and you’re wrong. I’ve known some self-hating whigger types that claim native and have tats of chiefs and all. But I also known some that are hardcore Trumpers....and all points inbetween. Unlike you, I won’t try and give a psychological diagnosis the whole lot of them from the eastern bloc.

You used Elizabeth Warren as an example of this type of white liberal. That doesn’t even make sense cause she was a Republican til she was like 45, so she didn’t grow up liberal.

You’re ducking the main point still: she lied about her race.

Even if she didn’t benefit personally, Harvard benefited and she allowed them to list her as a minority professor for years, boosting their diversity statistics while keeping an actual minority out of a spot the stats would reflect...while not giving a fukk about native issues on campus...peak entitled white woman. The benefit she got is whatever it is that made her feel like she should lie about her race. She was happy to call herself a minority professor.

And by the way, even if OK isn’t technically part of the midwest people call it the midwest in casual convo, and it’s not considered the south, dummy. You’d know that if you were American. It’s the southwest technically.

Sooo it seems like most of your post is predicated on still believing I'm literally a 12 year old Slovenian boy, so I'm concerned we're not operating on the same plane of sanity, and question how fruitful of a discussion we'll be having here.

You start off by acknowledging I'm speaking about a subsect of Whites who claim NA heritage, but then immediately and purposefully ignore that to build a fraudulent counter-argument based on me supposedly alleging Whites who claim NA heritage are a monolith. So that's strike number 1 and really demolishes your whole first paragraph, even ignoring the idiotic ad-hominem.

You then move on to conflating the history of the Republican party with the history of Liberalism, which if you knew much about American political history would be an obviously stupid thing to do. Political ideology has shifted back and forth between the Democratic and Republican party. You should look up the term Rockefeller Republican to see how one who believed in "social Liberalism" could also be a member of the Republican party, particularly around the era in which Elizabeth Warren grew up. And this is ignoring the fact that Warren has establishes she was politically unobservant. So that's strike number 2 and really demolishes your second argument.

You then move on to make your strongest argument (in what is a very poor total argument, so take that with a grain of salt) about Warren lying. There are two elements of a crime, actus reus (guilty act) and mens rea (guilty intent), and given all the evidence, Warren's "lies" about her race only satisfy the former element. She lied, but didn't know she did. I don't believe that's a damning indictment. You may. Your criticisms of Harvard are valid, but then you play Icarus and go a step too far in a desperate bid to indict Warren, which I suspect is your ultimate goal. You admit that the benefit she received was not institutional or material, but rather one of "good feelings" and "happiness". So you've downgraded her crime from one of knowingly abusing systemic vehicles made for the benefit of racially marginalized groups to adopting an identity for the purpose of emotional wellbeing. You've taken it from systemic to personal and in the process unknowingly removed the sting of the allegation. Strike 3. You're out.

 

[Uno]

There have been tons Blacks and whites have been claiming Native American since I have been alive. “ I have good hair because I have x tribe in my family” let’s not act Like you never heard this before

 

[wire28]

What does Trump being a piece of shyt have to do with Warren needing new voters in key states?

Trump was a piece of shyt in 2016. If you haven’t noticed yet, Warren will lose to Trump unless she gets people who didn’t vote last time out to the polls. Have you seen how Warren polls against Trump in the swing states??? It doesn’t look good.

What democratic nominee will the republicans and dark money not run negative ads on?

You can stop clutching your pearls. It’s going to be tough and if they aren’t going to vote for her because she lied (and actually was an adult and apologized for it and is doing things to help their community), they weren’t going to vote for her anyway.

If the goal is to get new voters their incentive should be to vote out the guy that lies and commits crimes daily, not stay at home because some white lady lied once and actually apologized.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Sooo it seems like most of your post is predicated on still believing I'm literally a 12 year old Slovenian boy, so I'm concerned we're not operating on the same plane of sanity, and question how fruitful of a discussion we'll be having here.

That seems like a very odd thing to say considering this is supposedly a serious discussion and you took it upon yourself to remind us that you pretended you were a Slovenian teenager here. I think the latest iteration of your identity is that you are a white man who lives in Europe. Correct me if I'm wrong. So yeah, you're a white man from Europe who calls people "nikkas" and "c00ns" here and is an expert on the cultural and psychological idiosyncrasies of the black underclass in America, and now apparently midwestern white families in 1950's America as well. Carry on.

You start off by acknowledging I'm speaking about a subsect of Whites who claim NA heritage, but then immediately and purposefully ignore that to build a fraudulent counter-argument based on me supposedly alleging Whites who claim NA heritage are a monolith. So that's strike number 1 and really demolishes your whole first paragraph, even ignoring the idiotic ad-hominem.
You then move on to conflating the history of the Republican party with the history of Liberalism, which if you knew much about American political history would be an obviously stupid thing to do. Political ideology has shifted back and forth between the Democratic and Republican party. You should look up the term Rockefeller Republican to see how one who believed in "social Liberalism" could also be a member of the Republican party, particularly around the era in which Elizabeth Warren grew up. And this is ignoring the fact that Warren has establishes she was politically unobservant. So that's strike number 2 and really demolishes your second argument.

lol you're so good at juelzing it's almost admirable until you strip it down and realize it's all bullshyt.

You made up a psychological diagnosis of a type of white liberal/native claimer that Warren supposedly falls under that you read in an article somewhere, and used this to try and explain away her race You said they're liberal and some shyt about white identity and cognitive dissonance, blah, blah, blah.

I'm aware of the history of the Democratic and Republican party in regard to fiscal and social liberalism vs. conservatism and you know I know that based on our previous conversations, so that was a bunch of disingenuous posturing from you. Warren wasn't liberal. Her family wasn't liberal. You yourself said she was "politically non-observant" so how does she fit your little DSM-IV white liberal American Indian dissociative disorder or whatever, you idiot?

What you call ad hominem are valid assessments of your blindspots in which you approach discussions like these. You live in Europe and don't know any white people from America who claim to be native American, yet you can make these assertions as to what fuels Elizabeth Warren's heart and mind because you read an article somewhere. That is why you are a joke whenever you enter this level of specificity in your mass electorate psychological assessments from your computer in...Czech Republic, is it?

But anyhow, I'm just saying that it will be seen as fake and off-putting to casual voters, regardless of why she did it.

You then move on to make your strongest argument (in what is a very poor total argument, so take that with a grain of salt) about Warren lying. There are two elements of a crime, actus reus (guilty act) and mens rea (guilty intent), and given all the evidence, Warren's "lies" about her race only satisfy the former element. She lied, but didn't know she did. I don't believe that's a damning indictment. You may. Your criticisms of Harvard are valid, but then you play Icarus and go a step too far in a desperate bid to indict Warren, which I suspect is your ultimate goal. You admit that the benefit she received was not institutional or material, but rather one of "good feelings" and "happiness". So you've downgraded her crime from one of knowingly abusing systemic vehicles made for the benefit of racially marginalized groups to adopting an identity for the purpose of emotional wellbeing. You've taken it from systemic to personal and in the process unknowingly removed the sting of the allegation. Strike 3. You're out.

And I'm telling you that's bullshyt. She may have been tricked into believing she's native when she was a kid, but if you think she didn't know by time she was a Harvard professor listed as a minority faculty member then you probably thought Donald Trump would raise the minimum wage and implement universal healthcare...wait...

And you still haven’t addressed the story she made up about her parents eloping cause her mom was Cherokee. She told that story in recent years.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

What democratic nominee will the republicans and dark money not run negative ads on?

You can stop clutching your pearls. It’s going to be tough and if they aren’t going to vote for her because she lied (and actually was an adult and apologized for it and is doing things to help their community), they weren’t going to vote for her anyway.

If the goal is to get new voters their incentive should be to vote out the guy that lies and commits crimes daily, not stay at home because some white lady lied once and actually apologized.

"Trump sucks, vote for me" doesn't work. I feel like this question was settled 3 years ago.

I'm not saying the Indian shyt will be the reason she loses. Just saying it's a legit negative that will go on through the general and her campaign better be equipped for it. Y'all dismissing it as nothing is crazy.

 

[Dat Migo]

Bernie hoes already getting their excuses ready for why they will stay home or vote third party when Liz is the nominee. I'm already seeing this shyt a ton on reddit.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

They want to see her as the near perfect candidate and are sensitive to critiques of her. She lied about her heritage for tangible personal gain and while it may be a minor thing..it was pretty audacious of her to do that and its comical to see how she has tried to rectify it by taking that ludicrous DNA test.

It honestly doesnt faze me much because all..or atleast the vast majority..of politicians are liars and crooks. Warren supporters refuse to believe that of her

I dont know how much it will hurt her if she gets the nomination but it surely isnt gonna help. Thats for sure

Can’t speak for anyone else, but I surely don’t see her as perfect. She’s a politician and politicians at the end of the day say and do whatever to gain favor, but to pretend like this is some deciding factor against her

The types to buy into this are birthers...aka people who weren’t voting dem in the first place

 

[King Kreole]

There have been tons Blacks and whites have been claiming Native American since I have been alive. “ I have good hair because I have x tribe in my family” let’s not act Like you never heard this before

I'm saying. Ridiculously disingenuous to pretend like this isn't pretty common practice.