2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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If Biden has a bad fundraising quarter...
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
damn this stinks, c'mon Liz! This a damn layup 
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
At this point I’m about seeing everyone else drop out...let Harris stay in out of vanity, Pete out of being a plant, and yang out of novelty and round it out with sanders, Biden and warren....time for this reach to get serious...foh with 20 people still running
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
I been saying this throughout this thread...all this altruistic “small donor” “grassroots” “no pac/corporate money”shyt is laughable....and some posters in here live and die by it. A general, and thus whoever the nominee is, requires big donor money.
If I’m the DNC I’m hitting everyone up
The fukk are you talking about? Being surprised by this only happens when you nikkas treat international affairs as second rate politics.
That's fine....I been saying this throughout this thread...all this altruistic “small donor” “grassroots” “no pac/corporate money”shyt is laughable....and some posters in here live and die by it. A general, and thus whoever the nominee is, requires big donor money.
If I’m the DNC I’m hitting everyone up
but just never make the argument that republicans disregard climate change because of their fossil fuel donors...
and never make the argument that republicans fall over themselves for teh NRA because of the political donations they receive...
and don't cry about Trump being loyal to people who stay at Trump properties...
Because money doesn't donor money doesn't influence elections and altruistic "small donor" "grassroots" "no pac/corporate money" shyt doesn't serve an explicit purpose of removing dark money from politics
Bernie raised $220M in the last primary
So I think he can raise $400-500M in grassroots donations.
Trump is on track to raise close to a billion. He was outspent by Hillary last time.
But what I’m concerned with is the tidal wave of dark money and outside groups.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
I wasn't expressing surprise, I was expressing disappointment. Conditioning military aid to Israel is not a very difficult step to take for someone in Liz's lane, especially after Bernie broke the ground on that. She's not running as some "hard as nails, tough and gruff" military aficionado. A lot of people really seem to just be lazily taking their Hillary 2016 critiques and slapping them onto Liz. I hope she comes around on this issue and stops the p*ssyfooting. No one in this race is Noam Chomsky, but that doesn't preclude making marginal improvements like conditioning military aid.
SHE'S A CAPITALIST...what do you mean this isn't a difficult step what do you mean her lane? No google - tell me her position on Libya, Syria, and YemenYou nikkas just talk to talk man. I said this a month or 2 ago. The clear difference between Sanders and Warren is their foreign policy, because a socialist like Sanders is always going to have a global perspective on wages, poverty, labor rights, and human rights period.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Being a capitalist has little to no bearing on the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, so I'm not seeing why that would stand in the way of conditioning military aid to Israel. There's capitalists on both sides of this issue. Warren wants to withdraw immediately from Afghanistan and reorient US foreign policy in the middle east so as to reduce the influence of Saudi Arabia, does that mean she's less of a believer in the power of markets?
There are endemic problems with the late-stage capitalism of our era, and it warrants significant critique, but I've noticed a lot of people lazily just throwing out "capitalism" as the answer to complex problems.
Yemen: Against the Saudi actions in Yemen, co-sponsored Bernie's bill.
Syria: Withdraw troops immediately.
Libya: No idea.
Not sure what this exercise was supposed to prove...
This is funny because Elizabeth Warren has made internationalizing the progressive movement a pillar of her trade policy. She's advocated using America's biggest weapon, it's economic heft, to force progressive concessions around labor rights, human rights, environmental rights, women's rights, etc from nations that want access to the American market. It's as strong, if not stronger, a specific commitment to internationalizing the progressive movement as any other candidate has made. Although I'm not exactly sure what Bernie's specific plan is re: internationalization of the movement and would appreciate any resources. I remember previously hearing about Bernie teaming up with Yanis Varoufakis to create an international left-wing organization to combat the wave of right-wing movements, which is a fantastic idea, but I haven't heard anything about that organization since, and he has never mentioned it during this campaign.
I believe that Sanders has stronger convictions about foreign policy, but the idea that they're more different than alike and occupy radically different foreign policy lanes is spurious. Y'all acting like Warren is Hillary Clinton, launching coups, pushing for regime changes, voting for the Iraq war, etc. That's what a genuinely different lane looks like, not Liz waffling on conditioning aid to Israel. Especially when Bernie's history on this issue isn't so clean either. He's not Noam Chomsky, she's not Hillary Clinton.
Sanders is stronger about foreign policy in the sense that when a crisis comes across his desk he's never had to answer for how to do anything.Being a capitalist has little to no bearing on the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, so I'm not seeing why that would stand in the way of conditioning military aid to Israel. There's capitalists on both sides of this issue. Warren wants to withdraw immediately from Afghanistan and reorient US foreign policy in the middle east so as to reduce the influence of Saudi Arabia, does that mean she's less of a believer in the power of markets?
There are endemic problems with the late-stage capitalism of our era, and it warrants significant critique, but I've noticed a lot of people lazily just throwing out "capitalism" as the answer to complex problems.
Yemen: Against the Saudi actions in Yemen, co-sponsored Bernie's bill.
Syria: Withdraw troops immediately.
Libya: No idea.
Not sure what this exercise was supposed to prove...
This is funny because Elizabeth Warren has made internationalizing the progressive movement a pillar of her trade policy. She's advocated using America's biggest weapon, it's economic heft, to force progressive concessions around labor rights, human rights, environmental rights, women's rights, etc from nations that want access to the American market. It's as strong, if not stronger, a specific commitment to internationalizing the progressive movement as any other candidate has made. Although I'm not exactly sure what Bernie's specific plan is re: internationalization of the movement and would appreciate any resources. I remember previously hearing about Bernie teaming up with Yanis Varoufakis to create an international left-wing organization to combat the wave of right-wing movements, which is a fantastic idea, but I haven't heard anything about that organization since, and he has never mentioned it during this campaign.
I believe that Sanders has stronger convictions about foreign policy, but the idea that they're more different than alike and occupy radically different foreign policy lanes is spurious. Y'all acting like Warren is Hillary Clinton, launching coups, pushing for regime changes, voting for the Iraq war, etc. That's what a genuinely different lane looks like, not Liz waffling on conditioning aid to Israel. Especially when Bernie's history on this issue isn't so clean either. He's not Noam Chomsky, she's not Hillary Clinton.
Thats why Sanders annoys me.
He's never represented a constituency with real urgency or accountabililty
You see Ted Cruz? THAT guy has a hard job.
You see Kamala Harris? THATS a tough seat.
You see Cory Booker? That dude works his ass off to stay elected.
Bernie fukking Sanders?
Dude, a comatose cat could be the Senator of Vermont!
Elizabeth Warren? TOUGH COMPETITION IN MASSACHUSETTS!
This is precisely why I don't take anything Sanders says seriously. He can just sprout off with NO accountability for ANYTHING. Dude just can be a unicorn because no one in Vermont cares!
I mean, no one even mentions universal healthcare in Vermont failing (obviously there were certain problems but still) in ANY of his critiques. Its like people intuitively dont take him seriously because Sanders himself never really DOES anything.
So who gives a fukk what Sanders' foreign policy experience is? Warren represents 10x more people with functionally the same size geographically as senators.
...so Of course she hedges on everything. Her words are LITERALLY more impactful!
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