2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

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the next guy said:
You guys really think this is about Bernie. There is a a lot of anti Warren movement from the center. Many Biden, Pete and Kamala supporters don't like her, in fact Kamala and Warren supporters have been going at it on twitter for a week now.
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You ain't lying. Kamala stans on Twitter are by far the worst group of supporters. It's pretty much an army of Naps with the same shytty takes :picard:
 
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@intra vires I don't think it's irrelevant to the point if you said that she signed on to Sanders' bill but doesn't mention it on her website and doesn't mention anything about eliminating the things that make it medicare for all. She was on Colbert two days ago and couldn't answer whether middle class taxes go up(they will). 0:45 mark in the spoiler. Colbert gave her a great defense of M4A tbh



Yes you're right about the ratfukking that's going to happen whether Sanders or Warren get into office but healthcare is by far my number one issue so I would like to see her clarify and become a stronger defender of it. I'm already scarred from the Obama years

And regarding the filibuster, Sanders has said he wants to reform it and that would require that the filibuster to be used would have to require whoever using it would have to speak for its duration. Now all people have to do is say they're filibustering. Plus the President has no control over ending the filibuster. He’s already indicated many times that he doesn’t want to see congress get bogged down in a fight over the filibuster not when he can whip the votes he needs. Warren is better on this issue though
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She doesn't answer whether middle-class taxes will go up because she rightfully views it as a Republican talking point and why she focuses on total costs instead. Colbert's defense would be fine if we didn't live in a world where people were gutting public schools and levies weren't failing.

Fighting for M4A is fine, healthcare is an important issue to a large part of the electorate; however, the probability that M4A is the outcome of policymaking in 2021, if we take the Senate, was always low. These are some of the problem senators for M4A (and probably the greater progressive agenda):

Bennett-CO, Schumer-NY, Brown-OH, Sinema-AZ, Carper-DE, King-ME, Klobuchar-MN, Tester-(MT), Kaine-VA, Manchin-WV, Bullock-MT*, Hickenlooper-CO*, c00ns-DE*, Warner-VA*, Kelly-AZ*, Jones-AL*

* Assuming they run/win their races (spoiler: Jones won't be winning).
** Years they would be up for reelection: 2022, 2024, and 2026.

Warren's defense of M4A is irrelevant to these people's position on it and the polling on it, when parsed out, doesn't give them any pause on that position. Flip a good number of them and Warren's language is irrelevant. Fail to do so and Sanders' rhetoric is irrelevant. How do you leverage them? The party crafted two "viable" alternatives for a reason... that's why harping on Warren's language strikes me as missing the forest for the trees. I'm not saying you shouldn't voice your concerns but let's not lose sight of legislative politics.

I'm well aware that the president has no power over senate rules/procedures. The point in bringing up the filibuster and crime bill was to point out that he's not ideologically pure, uncompromising, and he will be leveraged. He's a politician.

Anyway, sorry for the late response I have a lot of "fun" stuff going on in my life.
 
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the next guy said:
smh...
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Shouldn’t be a surprise. If Michelle Obama was in the race she would walk away with the nomination. Not saying I agree with it. I’m a policy first person, and I have no idea we’re she stands on most issues. However, most people are not like me. Barrack left office with over a 60 percent approval rating, and I would argue Michelle could appeal to a even wider base than he can. But, none of this matters because she is not going to run.
 
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