JoogJoint
In my own league.
Us Black folks in SC love handing this dork all kinds of L's. Here's our asses to kiss, loser.
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Us Black folks in SC love handing this dork all kinds of L's. Here's our asses to kiss, loser.
Yeah I dunno where all this black support for Warren talk is originating from. Black people know Bernie by now and they fukk with what he stands for. The normal black person DGAF about him showing up for a funeral for a politician from Baltimore. It has zero effect on their life. What they do know is the dude who was saying all this shyt 4 years ago is saying the same shyt he was back then and it sounds even better now that the orange fukk is in office.Interesting. I assumed Yang would be higher amongst his own people. Let Warren stans tell it, she's getting all this Black support.
Interesting indeed.
Wargames
One Of The Last Real Ones To Do It
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
The average doctor salary is $300K. The average teacher salary is $60K. Do doctors deserve to make 5x as much as teachers? I don't see any reason they shouldn't be closer to the $98K average for professors. Hell, even double that rate would be more acceptable.
I don't think the primary motivation to get into medicine should be money. Under M4A or any quality universal healthcare system, there will have to be a shift in mindset because healthcare will be a public service, and doctors should expect a similar quality of life as, say, government lawyers. Every other country's doctors do the same, why are America's doctors balling out of control? Any doctor whining about making $150-200K in exchange for the nation having proper healthcare isn't taking their Hippocratic oath very seriously and should rethink why they're in the field. It's not consigning them to poverty, they'd still be making very good money. Just not fukk you money. And of course, medical student debt and tuition costs would need to be controlled as well. But the money chasers can either go into lucrative non-essential procedures like cosmetic surgery or be replaced by immigrant doctors.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Lol...I couldn’t disagree more. Furthermore people don’t become doctors to get rich, takes a whole other level of dedication, and hopefully ethics, to become a doctor. And I certainly feel the training and knowledge doctors have is worth a lot more than some public defender or teacher.Medical School tuition costs and student debt are both issues that need to be addressed, but ultimately the quality of life for doctors will need to drop if M4A or any form of quality universal healthcare is to be adopted. Medicine shouldn't be an field one goes into to get rich. I don't see a problem with a GP having around the same quality of life as a public defender or teacher (which should go up) and a surgeon having the same as a professor.
There is way more bloat in health care, parma, medtech/devices and insurance than in medical salaries...but these pie in the sky ideas are exactly why M4A will be opposed. Hilarious how low skilled people can look to doctors and surgeons and be like “y’all need a pay cut”
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Watching Bernie answer intersectional questions is like watching a dog trying to ride a bicycle
That pause when he registered the question was
God bless him for trying tho, and I mean that sincerely. He wants to get better on these issues and has made progress from 2016. He's a good man and I think he does care. Just...old dog new tricks
Jhoon
Spontaneous Mishaps and Hijinks
To be fair, your existence antagonizes them. There’s nothing much we can do to dissuade them from not being pieces of shyt.
Ultimately, we need to start rolling back these carte blanche police shoot to kill laws.
Jhoon
Spontaneous Mishaps and Hijinks
I don’t think you’re reading the polls correctly. Warren fans are saying that she is best positioned to salvage the black supporters of Biden.Interesting. I assumed Yang would be higher amongst his own people. Let Warren stans tell it, she's getting all this Black support.
Interesting indeed.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
What do you disagree with? That quality of life for doctors will need to drop for M4A to be effectively implemented, or that doctor shouldn't be making 6x what teachers make? Would it be ok for doctors to make 2x what professors make? $200K instead of $300K?
People shouldn't become doctors to get rich, and they will 100% oppose an M4A plan that constrains their pay. But the doctor lobby shouldn't have veto power over what type of healthcare we have. The question is, which option is better for society: doctors having the highest occupational salary + poor people having no/shytty healthcare OR doctors reducing their salary to be in line with their international counterparts + everyone having quality healthcare. If the prime imperative is for America to be a place where doctors can get rich, then the former option makes sense. But if the prime imperative is for America to be a place where everyone gets access to quality healthcare, regardless of their station in life, then the latter option makes sense.
And if doctors are as magnanimous as you say, and people don't go into medicine to get rich, then there shouldn't be pushback from doctors to the latter option.
None of this precludes going after the other sources of bloat in healthcare. In fact, bringing down doctor costs won't solve this alone. But I don't see how this gets solved without doing so. And I wouldn't call teachers or professors or government lawyers low skilled, those are all professions that require post-secondary schooling, some as much as doctors. And I think people in those professions have a right to question why they're subsidizing the doctor's 3rd vacation or country cottage with their taxes, and why the doctor is making 3-5x as much as them. As other countries have shown, that disparity is not some intrinsic, essential facet of practicing medicine.
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Only 16% of healthcare cost goes to physicians salaries.
If you want to trim the fat, let's not start with the skilled worker saving lives.
If you want to trim the fat, let's not start with the skilled worker saving lives.
John Reena
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King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Start with whatever you want. Insurers. Pharma. Medical devices. Hospitals. You're still gonna end up at this same doctor conundrum.
Y'all acting like doctors are some especially aggrieved class, consigned to the gutters by an ungrateful society. These people, by and large, are NOT struggling, they can take the fukkin cut.
If you can't identify the rise in cost for healthcare you cannot be expected to Reign in Healthcare cost while also providing an all encompassing program.Start with whatever you want. Insurers. Pharma. Medical devices. Hospitals. You're still gonna end up at this same doctor conundrum.
Y'all acting like doctors are some especially aggrieved class, consigned to the gutters by an ungrateful society. These people, by and large, are NOT struggling, they can take the fukkin cut.
Military cost continue to rise, but cutting combat pay isn't the solution.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
What we're doing is taking a holistic look at healthcare costs and seeing why they're so exorbitantly high compared to other countries that do the same thing. There are many contributing factors, but the fact that doctors in America are getting paid far, far more than their counterparts in other countries is a load-bearing factor. You either continue to subsidize the high quality of life for doctors or you create a healthcare system that covers everybody without soaking the middle class in taxes and doesn't attract fortune-seekers. If you go into medicine for the ethics and to help people, then you shouldn't be whining when you're asked to no longer be the highest paid profession in society.If you can't identify the rise in cost for healthcare you cannot be expected to Reign in Healthcare cost while also providing an all encompassing program.
Military cost continue to rise, but cutting combat pay isn't the solution.
There is no space for combat pay to be significantly cut, they're making like $40K. You can bet that if they were making $90K to go fight, they should be asked to take a pay cut. No other public good profession has such a high standard of living as doctors. I truly don't understand the whining. Oh you can't afford your country club membership anymore, boo-fukking-hoo.
Jhoon
Spontaneous Mishaps and Hijinks
Start with whatever you want. Insurers. Pharma. Medical devices. Hospitals. You're still gonna end up at this same doctor conundrum.
Y'all acting like doctors are some especially aggrieved class, consigned to the gutters by an ungrateful society. These people, by and large, are NOT struggling, they can take the fukkin cut.
if the doctor is getting a pay cut you’re going to have to cut the wage of nurses too. I make about $175000 with OT. I’m just saying.