2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Jhoon]

I feel like this is only an argument when speaking on Democratic candidates...Trump ain't worried about being too far right

When you have control of the ballots you tend to not worry about winning elections.

 

[storyteller]

Yo this article leaves out the most important thing he said and a point you always bring up. Americans already fund 60% of Health Services through Medicare and other programs. So when he says that he's got 50% worth of funds already set up and you factor in 60% already funded...the 10% floating is where the savings will come from. The question isn't whether or not he can fund it; the question is which approach to take that will have the best impact for poor and middle class people.

Warren literally just proved that you can fully fund it (albeit with a mechanism I don't think is necessary at all).

 

[storyteller]

I think it's obvious at this point that Yang's UBI is a trojan horse

He also got caught all the way out there on M4A, even CNN is like "dude you're fronting..."

 

[storyteller]

Bernie and Liz are not even worried about the moderates or trying potential republican votes. Idk how they think they can win in the General by going so far left in the primary to the point of turning off moderates completely.

Moderates were extremely clear on this last election. They're going to vote blue no matter what otherwise it counts as a vote for Trump in their eyes. In terms of courting potential republican votes, Bitcofer beat every other pollster to the blue wave prediction in 2018 based on two concepts. One of which being that it's pretty much worthless to recruit Republicans if you're running on a Dem ticket; you'll just limit the number of left leaning independents that show up and offset the minimal number of Republicans that you do manage to pick up.

 

[Pressure]

Today was the third time I’ve seen a “fukk trump” on the front and “I told y’all to vote for Bernie” on the back shirt. On a certified hood nikka


you wasn’t seeing that in 2016especially with black ppl.

Dk what it means, but it means something.

Hood nikkas like free shyt and they don't like getting locked up.

 

[Pressure]

Moderates were extremely clear on this last election. They're going to vote blue no matter what otherwise it counts as a vote for Trump in their eyes. In terms of courting potential republican votes, Bitcofer beat every other pollster to the blue wave prediction in 2018 based on two concepts. One of which being that it's pretty much worthless to recruit Republicans if you're running on a Dem ticket; you'll just limit the number of left leaning independents that show up and offset the minimal number of Republicans that you do manage to pick up.

This is all fine and well, but I don't think there's a path to the nomination without moderate voters.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Hood nikkas like free shyt and they don't like getting locked up.

Everyone is a good niqqa I guess.

 

[storyteller]

This is all fine and well, but I don't think there's a path to the nomination without moderate voters.

So moderate voters are gonna let Trump win instead?

 

[Pressure]

Everyone is a good niqqa I guess.

It's not free when you're getting money.

 

[Pressure]

So moderate voters are gonna let Trump win instead?

I'm saying that leftist candidates ignoring standard dems (grouping together moderates and centrists) have no strong claim to winning the nomination.

There's really no way you get to moderates will vote for the eventual leftist nominee if a leftist doesn't win the nomination.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

It's not free when you're getting money.

So hood niqqaz don't ever get money?

 

[FAH1223]

He also got caught all the way out there on M4A, even CNN is like "dude you're fronting..."

hes basically advocating the Taiwan health system, I’m interested to see his plan. Australia also has a similar system.

if you look up Jon Walker’s MICA plan, that’s what a public option should be

 

[Pressure]

So good niqqaz don't ever get money?

The extreme majority of Hood nikkas aren't getting money.

If they were you wouldn't have a job

 

[storyteller]

I'm saying that leftist candidates ignoring standard dems (grouping together moderates and centrists) have no strong claim to winning the nomination.

There's really no way you get to moderates will vote for the eventual leftist nominee if a leftist doesn't win the nomination.

Got it. I thought you meant in the General since that was where the initial question came from. The answer to this one is basically that the strategy behind going left at the risk of losing centrists in a primary will lead to replacing those centrist voters with newcomers such as the youth vote. Warren is the hedge on the bets for me...same goals as the lefties but treating moderates with a softer approach that they could get behind if Bernie's threatening to win. If Warren's too far left for moderate and centrist's comfort then the Bernie approach of drawing in new voters who help shift the discourse is what we have left...a strategy that may fall short now but in the long term could empower progressives to make headway in the future as Millennial and Gen-Z overtake Boomers/Gen-X.

 

[storyteller]

hes basically advocating the Taiwan health system, I’m interested to see his plan. Australia also has a similar system.

if you look up Jon Walker’s MICA plan, that’s what a public option should be

If he's advocating for a Public Option then he should be honest about that. That's my problem with him. He talks out both sides of his mouth. He's not advocating for M4A if he's pushing a strong Public Option. He's just using the label and fronting about it. I have this same problem with his UBI proposal. It's the Friedman model that aims to blow out the rest of the social safety net and it includes a regressive tax unless you get the details absolutely perfect on implementation (which I don't buy that he'll accomplish or cares much about accomplishing). Dude is dishonest to me.