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I'm old enough to remember everyone saying Bush was just going to lose in 2004, people are going to vote him out, he's the worst president ever. :skip: People might not like Trump, but if people don't have a reason to vote for you, they'll just stay home. The economy is not collapsing like it was in 2008, so people are more comfortable, which doesn't bode well for Democrats. Turnout will make or break Democrats chances of winning.
Ehh, there were also a lot of people that wanted to “stay the course” given we were in the middle of war. I mean the wet blanket Kerry was didn’t help, but even a “better” candidate would’ve struggled, the US wasn’t going to switch presidents in the middle of that war
 

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Ehh, there were also a lot of people that wanted to “stay the course” given we were in the middle of war. I mean the wet blanket Kerry was didn’t help, but even a “better” candidate would’ve struggled, the US wasn’t going to switch presidents in the middle of that war
John Kerry was 120,000 votes in Ohio away from winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote.

Ohio’s voting machines were hacked too.
 

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John Kerry was 120,000 votes in Ohio away from winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote.

Ohio’s voting machines were hacked too.
Lost the popular by 3M votes, very much would’ve been the inverse of Hillary’s loss...so much even in pop culture (rock the vote) was thrown behind him, so much hate for bush who stole the election before, yet 3M folks wanted “consistency” in war time
 

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Lost the popular by 3M votes, very much would’ve been the inverse of Hillary’s loss...so much even in pop culture (rock the vote) was thrown behind him, so much hate for bush who stole the election before, yet 3M folks wanted “consistency” in war time

First election I really followed. I was 14-15 at the time.

My dad was so disgusted by the swift boat stuff.

I felt sick seeing the results on election night. My grandpa (RIP) was like “don’t worry, 4 years goes by quick”
 

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Def part of the 'Libertarian' left of the Dem party. He's a life-long Dem so I won't call him a GOPer.

He should have just said public option with transition to M4All. And leaned into his experience as a CEO, having to deal with healthcare premiums every year, changing plans, and talk about an employer mandate tax would be cheaper and easier on businesses over a certain amount of employees to pay. Plus, full health premiums are hidden from employees who only are paying 15-20%...

His policy team could have just chosen the number of plans that exist... former Rep. Peter Stark's old Americare bill is one. The Jon Walker MICA plan is built on it, which I've actually linked to this guy, his campaign manager:




I don’t think he’s cut out for this
 
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