Even the strongest women have to deal with misogyny in silence.
Had to put on a front of liking Bernie because women are suppose to just get over it.
The patriarchy yall
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2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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We call this... the Box Out#bidenboyz want to shyt on Liz but #Berniebros been calling him a pedo for over a year.
Is Tapper doing this debate tomorrow?
Tapper: Senator Warren, in a private meeting you had with Senator Sanders in 2018, Senator Sanders said a woman, presumably you, can't win b/c your p*ssy stinks. Your response?
Tapper: Senator Warren, in a private meeting you had with Senator Sanders in 2018, Senator Sanders said a woman, presumably you, can't win b/c your p*ssy stinks. Your response?
Nah, I just hate fake news. Like Bernie said, we all know Hillary won the popular vote by 3 million votes. But all of a sudden he says women can’t win?Y'all hate women.
Bernie asked Warren to run in 2015 AND did over 40 rallies for Hillary, even in states she never stepped foot in while campaigning. Let’s not forget CNN just recently had to settle out with that MAGA cac kid for spreading fake news. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...-flubs-his-new-york-times-ed-board-interview/
Sanders falters when asked tough questions
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) appears at a climate rally on Saturday in Iowa City. (Scott Morgan/Reuters)
Correction: An earlier version of this article incorrectly said that Bernie Sanders did not affirmatively say in an interview with the New York Times editorial board that Chinese President Xi Jinping is a dictator. This version has been updated.
The New York Times editorial board published on Monday a lengthy transcript of an interview with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), as part of its series of interviews with presidential contenders. Parts of that interview deserve attention.
First, Sanders again praises dictator wannabe Evo Morales. “In terms of Evo Morales [of Bolivia], his record was a pretty good record. He went a long way to limit or to cut back on extreme poverty in a very poor country," he said. “Give a voice to the indigenous people of that country. Should he have run for another term although they made it legal? Probably not." (In November, the Times reported that Morales, "who came to power more than a decade ago as part of a leftist wave sweeping Latin America, resigned on Sunday after unrelenting protests by an infuriated population that accused him of undermining democracy to extend his rule.”)
Sanders’s softness on left-wing dictators is not isolated to Bolivia. While he does condemn China’s human rights record, he has a peculiar response when asked if President Xi Jinping is a dictator. He notes, “I’m not the world’s greatest authority on China, and B, it is a long and complicated issue to deal with a country the size of China.” (If President Trump had said that, progressives would have had a field day.) He then continues:
We can say about China, to their credit, that they have come a very long way. It wasn’t so many decades ago that there was mass starvation in China. All right?
There is not mass starvation today and people have got — the government has got to take credit for the fact that there is now a middle class in China. No one denies that more people in China have a higher standard of living than use to be the case. All right? That’s the reality.
On the other hand, China is a dictatorship. It does not tolerate democracy, i.e., what they’re doing in Hong Kong. They do not tolerate independent trade unions and the Communist Party rules with a pretty iron fist. So, and by the way, in recent years, Xi has made the situation even worse. So, I mean, I’ll give, you give people credit where it is due. But you have to maintain values of democracy and human rights and certainly that does not exist in China.
The question was whether Xi is a dictator. After saying “Yeah, I do,” he then rambles on, repeating his well-known tendency to avoid outright condemnation of leftist dictators.There is not mass starvation today and people have got — the government has got to take credit for the fact that there is now a middle class in China. No one denies that more people in China have a higher standard of living than use to be the case. All right? That’s the reality.
On the other hand, China is a dictatorship. It does not tolerate democracy, i.e., what they’re doing in Hong Kong. They do not tolerate independent trade unions and the Communist Party rules with a pretty iron fist. So, and by the way, in recent years, Xi has made the situation even worse. So, I mean, I’ll give, you give people credit where it is due. But you have to maintain values of democracy and human rights and certainly that does not exist in China.
Finally, Sanders had a confusing and somewhat incoherent exchange on economics and immigration. He began by equivocating on whether immigration has the effect of depressing wages for Americans already here, seeming to contradict statements he made on Lou Dobbs’s TV program in 2007, which Sanders said was “250 years ago.” The conversation continued, with the editorial board’s annotations in brackets:
Binyamin Appelbaum: But you don’t think that that exploitation results in lower wages for domestic workers?
Sanders: Sure it does. Right now, we have people who are being exploited. If you’re undocumented, and you’re being paid five bucks an hour, why am I going to pay her $12 an hour? [The prevailing view of economists is that immigration increases economic growth, so it is not tethered to lower wages or less employment for American workers.]
BA: So, I’m confused about what has changed about your position.
Sanders: What did I just say again?
BA: You said that the exploitation of undocumented workers results in lower wages for domestic workers.
Sanders: Yeah, if you’re being paid $5 — If you’re being paid $5 an hour, now of course it’s going to lower wages. Why would I hire at a higher wage?
BA: But just a minute ago you said that was no longer your position. Is it your position that immigration, and exploitation ——
Sanders: I didn’t say “immigration.” I said that if you are paid, anybody is paid, exploited and illegally paid low wages, of course that’s going to lower wage standards in America.
BA: And that’s what’s happening right now?
Sanders: You said that. I didn’t say that. I don’t know how big a deal it is, but if people are being exploited by their employers, of course it lowers wages in America. Why do I — If I can get you for cheap labor, why do I pay her a living wage? Do you deny that? I mean, I don’t know. That’s ——
BA: I just wanted to understand your position. Thank you.
Sanders: Do you disagree with that?
BA: I think that there’s a lot of research suggesting that that’s not actually the case, yes. [Even George Borjas, the Harvard economist cited by the Trump administration in efforts to argue that immigration drives down wages, has said there is no economic justification for restricting skilled immigration.]
Sanders: That if I pay you five bucks an hour, it doesn’t have an impact on her wages.
BA: That immigration ——
Sanders: I didn’t say immigration.
BA: The immigration under current circumstances, which is substantially under ——
Sanders: Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh. Hold on. You’re misstating me. All I am saying is that if for whatever reason, I’m paying you $5 an hour, O.K.? You don’t think that’s going to lower the wages that she gets?
BA: There’s a lot of economic research suggesting that it does not.
Sanders: Not that I have seen.
BA: O.K.
Sanders: I mean I think that’s kind of common sense. It’s called a race to the bottom.
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Fukk your corny debates
I think I somewhat mis-stated his position. He’s not left wing economically, just to the left of most of the Republican party. He’s against libertarianism and thinks Republicans should abandon it.
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Terrible strategy from both Bernie and Liz. Biden is the clear front runner, and they are wasting time attacking each other.
I think some of the Bernie people that have been itching to go after Warren are being caught flat footed. I been trying to tell Bernie supporters for months going after Warren is not a good strategy. It is like they thought they could attack her, misrepresent her character, and record with no counter attack. This is not something Bernie needed, and could be a major setback.
For Liz and her team this is a risky strategy, even if Bernie did say what she claims. First it is going to be hard to definitely prove Bernie said this. Second people are are ask why was she so buddy buddy with him if he did say this, and dismiss it as a last minute desperation stunt.
I think this will hurt both of their campaigns. If I was a member of Biden’s campaign I would be happy as hell. Biden and Buttigieg both have a great shot at winning Iowa. Biden is polling very well on NH. It is a rap for the nomination if Biden wins Iowa or NH. The left always eat itself.
I think some of the Bernie people that have been itching to go after Warren are being caught flat footed. I been trying to tell Bernie supporters for months going after Warren is not a good strategy. It is like they thought they could attack her, misrepresent her character, and record with no counter attack. This is not something Bernie needed, and could be a major setback.
For Liz and her team this is a risky strategy, even if Bernie did say what she claims. First it is going to be hard to definitely prove Bernie said this. Second people are are ask why was she so buddy buddy with him if he did say this, and dismiss it as a last minute desperation stunt.
I think this will hurt both of their campaigns. If I was a member of Biden’s campaign I would be happy as hell. Biden and Buttigieg both have a great shot at winning Iowa. Biden is polling very well on NH. It is a rap for the nomination if Biden wins Iowa or NH. The left always eat itself.
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Is Tapper doing this debate tomorrow?
Tapper: Senator Warren, in a private meeting you had with Senator Sanders in 2018, Senator Sanders said a woman, presumably you, can't win b/c your p*ssy stinks. Your response?
Dusty Bake Activate
Fukk your corny debates
Nah. You’re being prisoner of the moment. Let’s remember who they’re running against. Anybody who cares cares enough to be invested in this primary will vote for whoever the nominee is because the unifying bond is they don’t want 4 more years of Trump.So this is basically the current state of the Democratic race -
- Bernie wins the nomination - Warren supporters will probably stay home because they feel he's sexist. Biden supporters will stay home because he's a socialist/too far left.
- Warren wins the nomination - Bernie supporters will stay home because either they'll feel that Warren cost Bernie the race because of a false accusation, or because they feel she's a phony. Or because they feel the DNC rigged the election against Bernie in some way. Biden supporters will stay home for similar reasons as with Bernie.
Basically all roads seem to lead to a second Trump term. Dems get on my nerves sometimes.
- Biden wins the nomination - Warren/Sanders supporters will stay home because "both sides are the same" and they don't see Biden as any different than Trump. The crime bill and Iraq War will be brought up frequently. "Never Trumpers" still vote Trump.
Y’all need to chill with this overreacting to the Warren vs. Bernie shyt. Let it play out. It was bound to happen. They would both endorse each other guaranteed and all of y’all are gonna vote for either.
Faiz Shakir is saying Warren believes this story is a lie!!
For me it is not the general I’m concerned about when it comes to Bernie vs Warren. I don’t think either one of them will make it past the primaries with this current strategy. I know not everyone agree with me, but I believe one of them have to win both Iowa, and NH to have any chance of beating Biden. I think this hurt both of them and let Biden look like the statesman.
