2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

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śïñe•qúå_nøn said:
Nap is a complete and utter clown

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Oh but wait, there is a blue one too?:comeon:
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It's hilarious how when Warren surrogates stabbed Bernie in the back Nap was on here saying "Look how it shows she can be ruthless:banderas::ooh::shaq::krs: We need more of this!"

But a video effect shows how Nina Turner is a "complete and utter clown":mjpls:

Fortunately for the rest of us your abrasive ass demeanor and shenanigans have rubbed so many people on here the wrong way that most of the people you are trying to propagandize to have you on ignore anyway:mjgrin:
 
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Mephistopheles said:
The full depth of Liz’ progressivism is her government work on financial corruption over the past decade and some scholarly legal work for consumer protection and bankruptcy a few years prior.

She also was a Republican who probably sided with big business for most of her life. She has no history in progressive or leftist social movements. She seems to have little intellectual curiosity or passionate feelings on foreign policy at all.

You’re talking about strength of ideological convictions. I don’t see much in the way of ideological convictions other than outrage over crooked bankers (As important as this economy being rigged for the rich is, that’s honestly low-hanging fruit POLITICALLY, post-2008. Everybody hates bankers).
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There is no problem in America that isn't directly or indirectly touched by financial corruption. Which is why Liz has been able to seamlessly expand her progressive vision to be the most intersectional of this entire campaign. Housing, food politics, black maternal health, student loan crisis, immigration, healthcare, the racial wealth gap, the military industrial complex, etc. It's her life's work of studying and fighting these financial institutions that have corrupted every element of American society that makes me think she would be the best fighter to wield the full power of the executive branch to take them on and correct the issues in all the areas I just mentioned.

Mephistopheles said:
There isn’t really a case that to made that she’s even close to as trustworthy a progressive as Bernie. If the case is she’s a more skilled at crafting legislation than Bernie, then she should stay in the Senate. The president doesn’t have to be master legislator, just try and set the agenda from the top and sign or not sign whatever comes through Congress and staff agencies with the best people to do the grind work...and foreign policy.
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Again, I don't believe she is as trustworthy a progressive as Bernie, he has that metric on lock. My case is she's a committed progressive and a more competent fighter. It's not about crafting legislation, it's about being the head of a bureaucratic agency and all the skills that make someone good at that. While I trust Bernie has deeper progressive convictions, I trust Liz way more when it comes to the competency needed to run the biggest executive office in the world. One big reason is that she's actually successfully built a large scale, progressive executive branch agency from the ground up recently. She's shown and proved. I have no idea how competent Bernie would be at doing this, which is the actual job of the President.

Mephistopheles said:
What actual work? All this shyt about her being a master legislator or whatever is moot because of congressional Republicans and it’s been that way since 2010.

I’m not sold on Bernie’s strategy of taking the fight to other Repubs districts and rally for healthcare, education, wages, etc., but it’s a lot better move than hope Mitch McConnell changes. Liz isn’t going to be able to get shyt past the Senate. Bernie probably won’t get much either but he’s better because he has a powerful grassroots movement which he won’t dismantle once he gets in office like Obama, and he inspires and activates voters to put a fire under these legislators asses and threaten them with consequences for not working in the interest of the people. Liz doesn’t have the weight to do that cause real people see through her.
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Again, this isn't about going through the Senate or crafting legislation. Congress is fundamentally broken right now. Liz's pitch is all about utilizing the tools of the executive office to bring about progressive change. She's constantly talking about things "the President can do all by herself". Her M4A pitch is specifically designed to work around congressional intransigence. Bernie is actually the one whose strategy relies more on hoping Mitch McConnell changes. All his signature policies require congressional support, which, even if Democrats have a great 2020 election, would mean Republicans need to sign off on them because of the filibuster, which he's not in favor of getting rid of. The grassroots energy Bernie is foregrounding is absolutely vital to creating long-lasting progressive change in this country, but it's also not going to happen immediately. It's a long-term project that must be bigger than Bernie. But our culture is so obsessed with celebrity standom culture that they've created a cult of personality around the man himself. It's really disheartening to watch.

Mephistopheles said:
The place a president has the most effect is foreign policy, and there is no case to be made that Liz is better than Bernie on that.
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This, I won't argue with you on. I believe it's the strongest reason to support him over her.
 
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