2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Uno Venova]

rumble young man, rumble

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

That's blan B. Plan A is, give dems a chance to actually stand for something besides maintaing status quo, or show themselves to be spineless and greedy enough to hand Trump another election and destroy the party all together.

or maybe some people need to just split off from the dems and start this magical party that stands for something.

Hopefully in my lifetime we move away from 2 parties. Seems impossible

i hope so too

 

[nyknick]

or maybe some people need to just split off from the dems and start this magical party that stands for something.

So you'd rather give Republicans automatic wins for the rest of our lifetime rather than compromise and make in party changes

 

[FAH1223]

The caucus system in Iowa might cause Bernie to lose just looking at those numbers. If I’m him, you have to root for Klobuchar at this point.

Yeah.. the polls really are all over the place.

If Bernie's strategy of bringing unlikely people to caucus works though, then he'll win

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

So you'd rather give Republicans automatic wins for the rest of our lifetime rather than compromise and make in party changes

ahh, here we go with this one...

1) are yall looking for real change or not? you got posters talking about moderates are the ones who never tried to steal a base, but progressives sitting in a dem party they hate seems pretty much the same...being safe

2) there is a moderate wing of the party that is not going to change or come over to the progressive side, either by pure beliefs or restrained by the reality of the people who make up their constituency. so either concede to infighting and stalemates in the dem party the rest of our lives or take a step back to move forward, as many movements that incite real change have to, and cede republican control while shyt works itself out

3) yes, the presidency would be conceded to the republicans. the senate is compromised already regardless of the dem party splitting simply due to demographics of the US, it's a challenge either way...maybe a progressive party would actually break the repubs hold in some states tho, especially if it keeps going after the rural and working class poor, and the house would basically look the same...so what's the issue? and local elections would be even more competitive, a progressive party once did damn well locally.

4) finally, there's 1/3 of the electorate claiming to be independent, 1/2 of which leans dem, some of them would come into the fold as well as the green party

so yes, i do think there needs to be people who are willing to man up and buck the two party system, and yes, they need to accept that it's not an overnight thing and that they won't capture the presidency the first or second time out...but trying something different sounds better than trying to beat 2/3 of a party into the viewpoints of 1/3 of it

 

[ADevilYouKhow]

Trump allies are handing out cash to black voters — POLITICO

Smh

 

[CBSkyline]

@dtownreppin214

Margin of error of 4.9%. Dems can't be polling this close in TX to Trump

The Bernie camp is using this poll result to drop their Texas news to keep it, and the notion that they are building momentum, in the headlines. Smart politics

 

[Kenny West]

or maybe some people need to just split off from the dems and start this magical party that stands for something.

i hope so too

Seems like you resigned your politics and any thing you want from your Govt to the sideline in favor of having a lame centrist version of "owning the libs progressives" and its weird as fukk.

Most anti progressive arguments boil down to "b b but that might not work! " yet people are still bitterly arguing against pursuing preferable political outcomes and trying to make an effective government.

Like of all things you would advocate for in politics, why not fight the ineffectiveness of the government that makes most of the population too disillusioned to vote? That same disillusionment is what allows Republicans to sneak into power every other election cycle like Trump. These are lessons we should have learned viscerally in 2016

You're so deep in media "bernie bro" narratives that all you'd care to settle for is the pendulum of shytty poltics to swing back left? Just to lay the carpet for the next republican facist the next time it swings?


Partisanship is all this shyt means to you?

 

[Warren Moon]

Infighting in the dem party?

can you imagine how much infighting the “super progressive left” would have if they broke off

it would be chaos.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Seems like you resigned your politics and any thing you want from your Govt to the sideline in favor of having a lame centrist version of "owning the libs progressives" and its weird as fukk.

Most anti progressive arguments boil down to "b b but that might not work! " yet people are still bitterly arguing against pursuing preferable political outcomes and trying to make an effective government.

Like of all things you would advocate for in politics, why not fight the ineffectiveness of the government that makes most of the population too disillusioned to vote? That same disillusionment is what allows Republicans to sneak into power every other election cycle like Trump. These are lessons we should have learned viscerally in 2016

You're so deep in media "bernie bro" narratives that all you'd care to settle for is the pendulum of shytty poltics to swing back left? Partisanship is all this shyt means to you?

this post couldn't be more off base...and also makes zero sense, nikka what are you even talking about? it's like yall read a post from someone who's not a bernie supporter and register it as an attack on bernie/progressives/etc.



this has nothing to do with bernie, i've talked about broken government ad nauseum (you wouldn't know that as all you seem to stalk and jump in on are my posts that don't show some vowed loyalty to bernie), and i've been a proponent of a mutli party system for 6-7 years now...but you think every response i make in here has something to do with bernie or this cycle.



lastly, i don't expect shyt from the government, that's not about centrist, conservative, or progressive political beliefs, that's simply my life experience of not expecting my government to protect me, that's their reputation with me. i applaud moves to make it better, and part of that, IMO, is breaking out of this stupid two party system that has proven ineffective

 

[No1]

Yeah.. the polls really are all over the place.

If Bernie's strategy of bringing unlikely people to caucus works though, then he'll win

Yeah, but if Klobuchar doesn’t meet the threshold then you’re looking at her voters going to Joe and Pete. Also, negative campaigning against him has risen. It should be interesting to watch.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

how can u explain bernies recent rise in polls?

 

[nyknick]

ahh, here we go with this one...

1) are yall looking for real change or not? you got posters talking about moderates are the ones who never tried to steal a base, but progressives sitting in a dem party they hate seems pretty much the same...being safe

2) there is a moderate wing of the party that is not going to change or come over to the progressive side, either by pure beliefs or restrained by the reality of the people who make up their constituency. so either concede to infighting and stalemates in the dem party the rest of our lives or take a step back to move forward, as many movements that incite real change have to, and cede republican control while shyt works itself out

3) yes, the presidency would be conceded to the republicans. the senate is compromised already regardless of the dem party splitting simply due to demographics of the US, it's a challenge either way...maybe a progressive party would actually break the repubs hold in some states tho, especially if it keeps going after the rural and working class poor, and the house would basically look the same...so what's the issue? and local elections would be even more competitive, a progressive party once did damn well locally.

4) finally, there's 1/3 of the electorate claiming to be independent, 1/2 of which leans dem, some of them would come into the fold as well as the green party

so yes, i do think there needs to be people who are willing to man up and buck the two party system, and yes, they need to accept that it's not an overnight thing and that they won't capture the presidency the first or second time out...but trying something different sounds better than trying to beat 2/3 of a party into the viewpoints of 1/3 of it

Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for.

You would rather have 4 more years of Trump, 8 more years of Don Jr and 8 more years of Ivanka than "falling in line" and compromising with progressive wing of the party.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for.

You would rather have 4 more years of Trump, 8 more years of Don Jr and 8 more years of Ivanka than "falling in line" and compromising with progressive wing of the party.

if it meant finding a new form of government that actually works for the people, yes. a symbolic presidency while all branches of government sit broken, ineffective and operate in an outdated fashion isn't a win to me.

 

[No1]

how can u explain bernies recent rise in polls?

He has an insane ground game, endless amounts of money and the loyalty of the millennial generation and generation z. A lot of people have flirted with other candidates but are coming back home to him. If he wins Iowa and New Hampshire, they will almost all come back home (that 70 percent he won in 2016). He also benefits from his opponents not knowing how to attack him. Warren and Sanders has like an unofficial pact. The centrists are not as popular on the issues as him so they try to attack character so it doesn’t work. So the remaining tactic is that he can’t beat Trump. That’s what it will come down to. Do voters think he can beat Donald?