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Can any of these candidates actually beat Trump though? Prez has been campaigning since he got into office with over $350M ready in the bank. The Democratic nom will be broke going up against the Trump Machine. I'm calling 4 more years of Trump. There's too much division on the left imo for any of the Noms to unite the party and oust Trump.
i just dont see the right candidate to do it :yeshrug:

trump is beatable, but they all have so many fukkin flaws :dead: im a biden supporter but i wouldnt try to downplay the numerous flaws he has
 

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Lmaoo why are people so scared of Bernie, he’s the nicest guy in the world :russ:
he's a fukking idiot who will lose in the general because his fans are narcissistic losers who don't understand the bigger picture or how to get anything done.

The left's hatred of "elites" is the same navel gaving peeing-on-your-shoes that Trump voters engage in.

Experience and competency are things Sanders lacks.
 

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Maybe, but I think they believe he's selling people pipe dreams.

When people ask some of his biggest supporters how they plan to enact his policy vision the response usually boils down to, "we should at least try."

Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much of a plan beyond that. And if we're being honest, there needs to be knowing the amount of opposition they'll see from the GOP and currently a fractured Dem party.
Yeah I agree, but there's a lot of time until the election, so we'll see how his campaign evolves as he gets pressed on details more. But as things stand now, he's setting his hardcore supporters up for some big-time disenchantment.

You're a Trump voter. Speak on it. :manny:
:heh: as someone who saw the reasons Trump could win in 2016, I'm saying I don't see them in 2020 :manny:
 

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“Pipe dreams” like affordable healthcare and secondary education which are common place in the rest of the first world :hhh:
Pipe dreams like passing M4A with the congressional landscape Bernie would be governing in, and his plan to overcome it by holding rallies and supporting primaries against people who aren't even up for reelection.
 

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Pipe dreams like passing M4A with the congressional landscape Bernie would be governing in, and his plan to overcome it by holding rallies and supporting primaries against people who aren't even up for reelection.
He'll still improve healthcare any way he can in the oval office.
 

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“Pipe dreams” like affordable healthcare and secondary education which are common place in the rest of the first world :hhh:
If it were that easy we'd already have it. Americans voted to decrease access in 2016. And many Americans still seem content on continuing to decrease that access.

Which leads us to this:
Pipe dreams like passing M4A with the congressional landscape Bernie would be governing in, and his plan to overcome it by holding rallies and supporting primaries against people who aren't even up for reelection.
 

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How is this any different with a moderate candidate? Republicans are going to stonewall everyone. Let’s get the guy with the best ideas in there. Bernie has made billion dollar companies capitulate him based on his movement.
Plenty of moderate proposals are passed. It's the entire crux of the "Obama didn't do enough" argument you all make.
 

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Pipe dreams like passing M4A with the congressional landscape Bernie would be governing in, and his plan to overcome it by holding rallies and supporting primaries against people who aren't even up for reelection.

If it were that easy we'd already have it. Americans voted to decrease access in 2016. And many Americans still seem content on continuing to decrease that access.

Which leads us to this:


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Who are these people that want this other than republicans and corporate democrats who take money from the insurance and big pharma companies?
 

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Yeah I agree, but there's a lot of time until the election, so we'll see how his campaign evolves as he gets pressed on details more. But as things stand now, he's setting his hardcore supporters up for some big-time disenchantment.


:heh: as someone who saw the reasons Trump could win in 2016, I'm saying I don't see them in 2020 :manny:
Nah, he's Bernie, nothing he can say can make his supporters disappointed.
 
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