King Kreole
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oh, so the Liz Warren plan that some hardcore Bernie stans spent the rest of the primary using as a reason to say she's a fake progressive? word
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
Didn't she give up on M4a after stanning it earlier on her campaignoh, so the Liz Warren plan that some hardcore Bernie stans spent the rest of the primary using as a reason to say she's a fake progressive? word
King Kreole
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If there was a direct correlation between what the public wants and what gets enacted by government, we wouldn't be in the situation we're in right now. There are factors besides public polling that determine what the government does. So Republicans and Corporate Dems taking money from the insurance and big pharma companies is an important factor to consider. Bernie can't overcome that with his "revolution" any more than Trump could overcome the opposition to his border wall with his MAGA army. Bernie doesn't have the votes for M4A.
Who are these people that want this other than republicans and corporate democrats who take money from the insurance and big pharma companies?
DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
The claim was made that "many VOTERS" wanted to reduce access to healthcare.
Nothing you wrote confirms that statement.
King Kreole
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No, in fact the opposite. She came up with the only plan to fully fund it and the only realistic plan to get it passed. But she misread the current political environment. People don't want to be shown how the magic trick is done, they just want to be wowed by the trick.
King Kreole
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That wasn't what my post you quoted was about
DonKnock
KPJ Gonna Save Us
That wasn't what my post you quoted was about
When you say "there are factors other than public polling" you are trying to undermine the polling data, which was presented in an argument that you are not addressing and attacking an argument I never made.
These people have utterly fukked themselves.
Warren was the unity candidate.
Warren was the unity candidate.
No nikka. She wants to fix the house on stilts before she adds another floor.
this is the problem With Bernie. warren literally did the group project homework and sanders let her take all the flack for it all while openly admitting he has no real implementation plan.
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
they probably didn't respond to how she cosponsored it then backed off to 'choice'
King Kreole
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You quoted my post about M4A not passing in the current congressional environment and replied with public polling data. My point isn't that the data is false, it's that public polling isn't decisive in governmental action, and therefore isn't a serious retort to lack of congressional support for M4A. I don't know where you're going with this.
King Kreole
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yeah they were being very dumb
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
nobody likes a flip flopper
King Kreole
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Liz: I support M4A.nobody likes a flip flopper
Media and centrist Dems: You can't pay for it or get it passed.
Liz: Actually we can. Here's how. Have employers continue to pay, but redirect payments from private insurance to government, and increase taxes on the wealthy to make up the difference. Congress and a significant amount of the public are skeptical, so let's expand it to 40% of the population in year 1, let everyone see how much better it is than the current system, which will build the support needed to expand it to the other 60% of the population by year 3.
Bernie stans: Flip-flopper! Traitor!
Uno Venova
Your honor, I was merely capping.
Liz: I support M4A.
Media and centrist Dems: You can't pay for it or get it passed.
Liz: Actually we can. Here's how. Have employers continue to pay, but redirect payments from private insurance to government, and increase taxes on the wealthy to make up the difference. Congress and a significant amount of the public are skeptical, so let's expand it to 40% of the population in year 1, let everyone see how much better it is than the current system, which will build the support needed to expand it to the other 60% of the population by year 3.
Bernie stans: Flip-flopper! Traitor!
