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These candidates are underwhelming. :shaq2:

Gotta vote blue but these people got me feeling the blues.
It’s actually the opposite, they’re all strong in their own right, except for Pete, yet even he has appeal to a segment of people. But there’s no undeniable leader, the good and the bad of so many people staying in so long.
 

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She doesn't, and neither do about 70% of her supporters.

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:dahell: According to this chart, the same percent of Sanders supporters have Warren as their second choice as Warren supporters having Sanders as their second choice. So I guess 70% of Sanders supporters don't want progressive change either. :upsetfavre:
 

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:dahell: According to this chart, the same percent of Sanders suporters have Warren as their second choice as Warren supporters having Sanders as their second choice. So I guess 70% of Sanders supporters don't want progressive change either. :upsetfavre:
The difference of course being that Sanders has more supporters than Warren. Which is what matters when you're talking about things like elections. Also the poll is from when Warren supported M4A, which she has now backtracked on. And her campaign is in its death throes for that very reason.
 
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Bernie hasn't earned my vote
And this is why you are going to lose again. You vote based on animus towards other candidates and what you feel is owed to you. The people who actually decide the outcome of elections, i.e. the 20 million people who showed up to vote for Obama but stayed home for Clinton, vote based on how they think the election will effect their lives. They're not voting for an idol to worship, they're voting because they have bills.
 

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The difference of course being that Sanders has more supporters than Warren. Which is what matters when you're talking about things like elections. Also the poll is from when Warren supported M4A, which she has now backtracked on. And her campaign is in its death throes for that very reason.
I'll support bernie when he starts acting like a real progressive and wanting to create change for black folks. Until then I'll leave him and his "divisive" rhetoric on the sideline like his supporters did Hillary:manny:
 

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The difference of course being that Sanders has more supporters than Warren. Which is what matters when you're talking about things like elections.
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Also the poll is from when Warren supported M4A, which she has now backtracked on.
Y'all can keep trotting out this line but it won't make it true. These are all from the past month.








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pocahontas is fukk outta here :yeshrug:

dudes need to get in line behind bernie or biden. go moderate, or go far left. but bernie owns that lane

i mean seriously. if you're a warren voter, go votr for bernie in the primary. dont waste your vote

I'm voting for whoever is more viable between Bernie/Warren when we get to Texas. Right now that's looking like Bernie.

I think the fighting between Warren/Sanders supporters is stupid and achieves nothing. If someone is a Warren supporter who wouldn't vote for Sanders if he won (or vice versa), then :camby:

fukk Moderates 2020.
 
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Warren healthcare proposal doesn't extend Medicare benefits to anyone. "Medicare for All" is just the name she gives it. Buttigieg does the same thing.

Try actually reading some policy instead of tweets.

My First Term Plan for Reducing Health Care Costs in America | Elizabeth Warren

Again, you're just totally false here. Did you even read the very article you just told me to read?? Her plan extends M4A coverage to 135 million people.

I will fight to pass fast-track budget reconciliation legislation to create a true Medicare for All option that’s free for tens of millions. I won’t hand Mitch McConnell a veto over my health care agenda. Instead, I’ll give every American over the age of 50 the choice to enter an improved Medicare program, and I’ll give every person in America the choice to get coverage through a true Medicare for All option. Coverage under the new Medicare for All option will be immediately free for children under the age of 18 and for families making at or below 200% of the federal poverty level (about $51,000 for a family of four). For all others, the cost will be modest, and eventually, coverage under this plan will be free for everyone.

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That’s why, within my first 100 days, I will pass my own fast-track budget reconciliation legislation to enact a substantial portion of my Medicare for All agenda – including establishing a true Medicare for All option that’s free for millions and affordable for everyone.

A True Medicare for All Option.

There are many proposals that call themselves a Medicare for All “public option” – but most of them lack the financing to actually allow everyone in America to choose true Medicare for All coverage. As a result, these proposals create the illusion of choice, when in reality they offer tens of millions of Americans the decision between unaffordable private insurance and unaffordable public insurance. A choice between two bad options isn’t a choice at all.

My approach is different.

Because I have identified trillions in revenue to finance a fully functioning Medicare for All system – without raising taxes on the middle class by one penny – I can also fund a true Medicare for All option. The plan will be administered by Medicare and offered on ACA exchanges. Here are its key features:

  • Benefits. Unlike public option plans, the benefits of the true Medicare for All option will match those in the Medicare for All Act. This includes truly comprehensive coverage for primary and preventive services, pediatric care, emergency services and transportation, vision, dental, audio, long-term care, mental health and substance use, and physical therapy.

  • Immediate Free Coverage for Millions. This plan will immediately offer coverage at no cost to every kid under the age of 18 and anybody making at or below 200% of the federal poverty level (about $51,000 for a family of four) – including individuals who would currently be on Medicaid, but live in states that refused to expand their programs.

  • Free, Identical Coverage for Medicaid Beneficiaries. States will be encouraged to begin paying a maintenance-of-effort to the Medicare for All option in exchange for moving their Medicaid populations into this plan and getting out of the business of administering health insurance. For states that elect to maintain their Medicaid programs, Medicaid premiums and cost sharing will be eliminated, and we will provide wraparound benefits for any Medicare for All option benefits not covered by a state’s program to ensure that these individuals have the same free coverage as Medicaid-eligible people in the Medicare for All option.

  • Eventual Free Coverage for Everyone. This plan will begin as high-quality public insurance that covers 90% of costs and allows people to utilize improved ACA subsidies to purchase coverage and reduce cost sharing. There will be no premiums for kids under 18 and people at or below 200% of the federal poverty level. For individuals above 200% FPL, premiums will gradually scale as a percentage of income and are capped at 5.0% of their income. Starting in year one, the plan will not have a deductible -- meaning everyone gets first dollar coverage, and cost sharing will be zero for people at or below 200% FPL. Cost sharing will scale modestly for individuals at or above that level, with caps on out-of-pocket costs. In subsequent years, premiums and cost sharing for all participants in this plan will gradually decrease to zero.

  • Reducing Drug Prices. The Medicare for All option will have the ability to negotiate for prescription drugs using the mechanisms I’ve previously outlined, helping to drive down costs for patients.

  • Automatic Enrollment. Anyone who is uninsured or eligible for free insurance on day one, excluding individuals who are over 50 and eligible for expanded coverage under existing Medicare, will be automatically enrolled in the Medicare for All option. Individuals who prefer other coverage can decline enrollment.

  • Employee Choice. Workers with employer coverage can opt into the Medicare for All option, at which point their employer will pay an appropriate fee to the government to maintain their responsibility for providing employee coverage. In addition, unions can negotiate to include a move to the Medicare for All option via collective bargaining during the transition period, with unionized employers paying a discounted contribution to the extent that they pass the savings on to workers in the form of increased wages, pensions, or other collectively-bargained benefits. This will support unions and ensure that the savings from Medicare for All are passed on to workers in full, not pocketed by the employer.

  • Provider Reimbursement and Cost Control. I have identified cost reforms that would save our health system trillions of dollars when implemented in a full Medicare for All system. The more limited leverage of a Medicare for All option plan will accordingly limit its ability to achieve these savings – but as more individuals join, this leverage will increase and costs will go down. Provider reimbursement for this plan will start above current Medicare rates for all providers, and be reduced every year as providers’ administrative and delivery costs decrease until they begin to approach the targets in my Medicare for All plan. The size of these adjustments will be governed by overall plan size and the progress of provider adjustment to new, lower rates.

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