2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Secure Da Bag]

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Biden and Yang as well.


edit: i'd vote for Pete too

Everybody knows you're gonna vote for Trump breh

 

[OfTheCross]

Warren’s housing plan has specifics geared toward increasing black home ownership and she has a plan for black maternal mortality...Bernie doesn’t even speak to black women - I absolutely don’t feel any recognition from him as one of the truest bluest demographics of the Democratic Party, and his attack dog Nina sanders does nothing to bridge that gap.

as for what I’d like to see, every candidate seems to think black education plan = hbcu’s while letting affirmative action continue to get raped and decimated, so I’d like to see more of them speak on applying pressure from a federal level to all public schools to strengthen AA

Bernie constantly speaks on black maternal mortality when asked about his M4A plan.

The affirmative action question is a great one. I haven't heard it asked or addressed by anyone.

Even if what you posted were true, Liz will go in depth about how a policy pertains the the black community and specific ills it addresses. Bernie does not talk race at all and simply says how it’s going to help a class of people. I actually don’t believe you get elected with a bunch of black specific policies, but I do think you need to be comfortable weaving your policy into the specific challenges faced by the black community and talking to us as a people and not just “all people of this class” thing he does. You may think that’s cool, but as a group who so staunchly votes democratic, candidates better come to the table ready to speak on theirs policies and their applications to the black community specifically

What I posted is 100% true.

And regarding the bolded, it really sounds to me like you'd like to be pandered to. Pandering is what the Democratic Party has been doing forever. I don't care for it.

If I tell you I'm going to give you $100, no strings attached, as a gift. Why would you care if it came out of my left pocket or my right pocket?

Warren's site is well designed. It spins her generic positions into ways to make it seem like it's specifically tailored to Black Americans.

I'm not mad at it. But it's true. Read her Black Agenda and see what the specifics are. You won't find much.

 

[DEAD7]

Not going to waste time trying to convince anyone otherwise.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Bernie constantly speaks on black maternal mortality when asked about his M4A plan.

The affirmative action question is a great one. I haven't heard it asked or addressed by anyone.



What I posted is 100% true.

And regarding the bolded, it really sounds to me like you'd like to be pandered to. Pandering is what the Democratic Party has been doing forever. I don't care for it.

If I tell you I'm going to give you $100, no strings attached, as a gift. Why would you care if it came out of my left pocket or my right pocket?


Warren's site is well designed. It spins her generic positions into ways to make it seem like it's specifically tailored to Black Americans.

I'm not mad at it. But it's true. Read her Black Agenda and see what the specifics are. You won't find much.

It’s not pandering. I don’t want a dem to come with “my plan for black America” - I don’t think that’s realistic. I want them to say “here’s my plan, xyz has been an obstacle to black people because of y, and this is how my plan ends up tackling y”, I don’t want to constantly be told “my plan addresses everyone” while also watching said candidate feel comfortable talking directly and specifying how they’ll help “working class white people”

 

[OfTheCross]

I’m not for or against Bernie. I think he has a lot more pros than cons, and I would gladly support him in the general election. However, this is my biggest criticism of him. Yes, all of the candidates been vague about reparations with the exception of MAW. The reason why Bernie get criticized more than Liz is because he stated he is against cash reparations. If you are against cash reparations, how could you truly be for HR40? What if cash reparations is one of the solutions the committee recommends? Liz has kept all options open, along with proposing a redline correction policy.

I will give you this. Biden has gotten a complete pass on reparations. The one time he was questioned on it he changed the subject to immigration, and the mods let him get away with it.

That's what I like about Sanders. He's not going to bullshyt you to make you like him.

He supports HR40 to study it. He obviously doesn't have the answer so he's no going to pretend that he does.

 

[A.R.$]

That's what I like about Sanders. He's not going to bullshyt you to make you like him.

He supports HR40 to study it. He obviously doesn't have the answer so he's no going to pretend that he does.

But, he clearly stated he doesn’t support cash reparations. What if the study say that cash reparations is the answer?

 

[OfTheCross]

It’s not pandering. I don’t want a dem to come with “my plan for black America” - I don’t think that’s realistic. I want them to say “here’s my plan, xyz has been an obstacle to black people because of y, and this is how my plan ends up tackling y”, I don’t want to constantly be told “my plan addresses everyone” while also watching said candidate feel comfortable talking directly and specifying how they’ll help “working class white people”

Okay. Still sounds like you want to be pandered to.

If you're working class, making $30K a year, and you have a working class White neighbor and a working class Latino neighbor.

Would you be against receiving help because your neighbors got it? It doesn't make sense to me.

Even moreso because in real life, almost certainly, your neighbors are going to be Black.

 

[Listen]

The Boston Globe wrote up this article on my town.

Wondering how N.H. will vote? Look to the little town of Dover - The Boston Globe

Dover has managed to pick the correct winner in each of the past four Democratic presidential primaries in New Hampshire.

“For this election, at this time, based on history, Dover has a special gift," said David Paleologos, the director of the Suffolk University Political Research Center, which partners with The Boston Globe on polling. “They’ve also predicted the exact order of finish for the top four, which is really hard.”

I had no clue we were that predictive.

I’ll keep y’all posted on what I see at my Ward. It’s pretty cool that I can meet all these people so up close.

In 2007, I stood like 6 feet from Obama at a local school while he talked to 50 of us lmao. Hilary cried those fake tears in a bakery I’m always at... McCain was hanging out at my neighbors house once...

 

[OfTheCross]

But, he clearly stated he doesn’t support cash reparations. What if the study say that cash reparations is the answer?

He addressed his fear regarding Congress giving DOS $20K moving on from the issue. To him, that didn't address it.

Whatever the study that he supports says, hopefully it's better than that.

shyt, there's people that are about to get paid now, but they're only getting $50 each in reparations. That's a waste. Why support it?

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/we-...e-reparations-for-slavery-nyt-opinion.760211/

And again, he's an honest politician. We don't get that. Come up with a good plan and I trust him to support it.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

That's what I like about Sanders. He's not going to bullshyt you to make you like him.

He supports HR40 to study it. He obviously doesn't have the answer so he's no going to pretend that he does.

The problem is he did bullshyt.

1. He said he was against because it wouldn't pass Congress.
2. He said he was against because it was too divisive.
3. He said he was against because it felt it wasn't the best way.
4. Now he says he is against because "he doesn't know".

At this point, it just sounds like he doesn't want African-Americans to get reparations.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Okay. Still sounds like you want to be pandered to.

If you're working class, making $30K a year, and you have a working class White neighbor and a working class Latino neighbor.

Would you be against receiving help because your neighbors got it? It doesn't make sense to me.

Even moreso because in real life, almost certainly, your neighbors are going to be Black.

No one said anything about being against someone else getting help,

And I’m not sure how recognizing issues specific to the black community and speaking to how your generic policy also tackles those as opposed to creating a generic policy and just sticking to it helps everyone is pandering. People always want to know what’s in it for me and that you understand them. Pandering is making promises or fake Black only proposals that will never be executed

It’s funny how y’all keep defending his approach one way, yet cheer him on in directly addressing white working class people.

 

[JMurder]

Okay. Still sounds like you want to be pandered to.

If you're working class, making $30K a year, and you have a working class White neighbor and a working class Latino neighbor.

Would you be against receiving help because your neighbors got it? It doesn't make sense to me.

Even moreso because in real life, almost certainly, your neighbors are going to be Black.

If I'm black making 30k, my white neighbors making 60 and my Asian neighbor making 90... We all make 30k more, what exactly changed?

 

[AAKing23]

Elizabeth Warren does a better job directly addressing black issues and how her policies will affect them than any of the major candidates.

Pretending this isn't the case is just being dishonest.

And this is exactly why Warren edges out Bernie as my preferred candidate, every time race is brought up Bernie runs away from the question and starts deflecting to the top 1% have all the wealth shyt

Not to mention he's vocally said he's against reparations

People shyt on Liz but at least she is direct when speaking on the topic and has presented actual policies that would benefit black people

 

[A.R.$]

He addressed his fear regarding Congress giving DOS $20K moving on from the issue. To him, that didn't address it.

Whatever the study that he supports says, hopefully it's better than that.

shyt, there's people that are about to get paid now, but they're only getting $50 each in reparations. That's a waste. Why support it?

https://www.thecoli.com/threads/we-...e-reparations-for-slavery-nyt-opinion.760211/

And again, he's an honest politician. We don't get that. Come up with a good plan and I trust him to support it.

Not being argumentative, but you still not addressing the issue. We don’t know what the committee will recommend. You previously stated that Bernie said he doesn’t know the answer. That is why the committee will he formed. What if the committee thinks that $20,000 is the answer? The problem is this. Because Bernie is already on record stating he doesn’t support monetary payments as reparations, the process will not be trusted. Again you can’t say you don’t support monetary payments, and state you fully support HR40. By doing that you corrupt the process.

 

[OfTheCross]

The problem is he did bullshyt.

1. He said he was against because it wouldn't pass Congress.
2. He said he was against because it was too divisive.
3. He said he was against because it felt it wasn't the best way.
4. Now he says he is against because "he doesn't know".

At this point, it just sounds like he doesn't want African-Americans to get reparations.

Assuming you're right about what he said...

He hasn't lied.

Why wouldn't he just use his efforts to promote other plans that disproportionately positively impact Black Americans like he's doing?

No one said anything about being against someone else getting help,

And I’m not sure how recognizing issues specific to the black community and speaking to how your generic policy also tackles those as opposed to creating a generic policy and just sticking to it helps everyone is pandering. People always want to know what’s in it for me and that you understand them. Pandering is making promises or fake Black only proposals that will never be executed

It’s funny how y’all keep defending his approach one way, yet cheer him on in directly addressing white working class people.

What are the issues that you would like recognized? Maybe that's what I'm missing.

Bernie Sanders always tells the people he's talking to what's in it for them.

It just so happens they've been campaigning in White states.

Here is the NAACP forum for himself and Warren