2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[Regular_P]

If you were being honest you would have stopped right there and not even bothered posting this.

Nobody honestly believes that there is even an imperceptible number of Bernie supporters who've attacked Warren because they're jealous of her competence and achievements juxtaposed to Bernie's. You don't even believe that, you're trolling for purely entertainment purposes with that post and you know it.

People take a few Bernie supporters and amplify whatever they say like it applies to everyone. You'd think people are getting followed to work with some of these comments.

Warren fukked herself by not running in 2016. If she woulda run then like most people wanted (including what became Bernie supporters), Bernie never woulda entered the discussion. Instead, she chose to fence sit while Bernie took the Progressive lane and ran with it. He's done the heavy lifting the past four years with setting up and inspiring a national network.

 

[storyteller]

that's not what sank her, her releasing a detailed M4A plan did. attacks from moderates were expected, but it was quite telling to see how progressives Bernie-world progressives tore her down as well, Bernie also left her out on a limb there. so if she felt a lack of solidarity and moved to separate herself, that was the moment.

I included distancing herself from Bernie on M4A and got a bit deeper into it as that conversation went on. But for sake of really pounding this shyt home. Warren’s details were NOT what the wonks or pragmatists would expect from a practical approach. Details should be coherent and when it came to the funding, Warren’s details were more politics than practicality. That’s why bernie world who has prioritized this particular legislation felt slighted. Here’s yglesias from Vox saying this exactly,

The Sanders-Warren dispute about how to pay for Medicare-for-all, explained

But the plans candidates release are illustrative of how they think about things, and this particular case is interesting because it runs somewhat contrary to the stereotype.

Warren has much more of a reputation as the uber-wonk with plans for everything, while Sanders is seen more as a moralist and a populist who cares less about the technical merits of proposals than whether they illustrate underlying points.

In this particular case, however, that dynamic is reversed. It’s Warren whose plan optimizes for easily illustrating the point that almost everyone’s costs will go down, even at the cost of embracing a vision that’s not going to be technically sustainable for very long. She’s then vague about the timing of the transition off her plan, and is going to transition to something that’s probably a worse deal for many people than a more technocratic alternative would be.

Sanders, by contrast, is proposing a big new broad tax, even though big new broad taxes tend to be unpopular. This is how foreign single-payer systems are typically designed, and it’s almost certainly what a team of policy wonks would recommend if they were setting all political considerations aside.

Pair that sketchy funding with the splitting of her M4A proposal into two parts and many Bernie fans lost faith in her approach. Some felt she was being disingenuous and others like myself, felt it just wouldn’t work.

And just to get back to the original point I was making. I was strictly speaking on strategic failure. Her strategy of separating herself, regardless of feelings, was bad. It didn’t slow her downward momentum at all. So regardless of her logic for taking that tact, it failed. Which was my point all along. She’s got a bad team around her. She’s too good a candidate to be on life support right now. She should have all the juice that klobuchar’s got right now. Strategic missteps like buddying up to Klobuchar have cost her.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Gotta be honest though. If bloomberg came throwing money at me it would be difficult to resist.

Let's be honest too, NONE of that money going towards helping the community, this is all palm greasing.

fukk it, I was looking for a house down payment in that position

lol, this goes back to my ongoing motto of "doing something strange for a little change" to pay off my student loans...if bloomberg cut the check to fedloan right then and there, might be a bird in hand vs one in the bush situation

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

People take a few Bernie supporters and amplify whatever they say like it applies to everyone. You'd think people are getting followed to work with some of these comments.

Warren fukked herself by not running in 2016. If she woulda run then like most people wanted (including what became Bernie supporters), Bernie never woulda entered the discussion. Instead, she chose to fence sit while Bernie took the Progressive lane and ran with it. He's done the heavy lifting the past four years with setting up and inspiring a national network.

Agree, but how ridiculous was that statement? Bernie supporters attack Liz because they're jealous of her achievements and she makes him look incompetent?

The hardest of hardcore Warren supporters have never even made a critique as random and left-field as that. Dude just made some shyt up on a whim and figured he throw it out there to see if it would stick.



That's like saying Bernie supporters attack Liz cuz her first name has more vowels in it than his.

 

[the cac mamba]

Warren fukked herself by not running in 2016. .

hillary fukked over the entire country by buying that nomination after she couldnt handle competition in 2008

can you fukking imagine if in 2016, the democrats had an open primary and bernie, warren, biden and hillary all ran fairly and the voters got to choose who won NO WAY trump gets elected after that. one of them, after that process, would have won and the party would have united around them. actually the ticket probably would have been a combo of 2 out of the 4

but no. hillary bought the fukking thing off and couldnt even deliver a win

 

[Cheddar Biscuits]

mayor of charlotte saying the city won't tolerate racism and then putting out an endorsement for bloomberg

 

[goatmane]

Bernie has been called a "problematic" racist and sexist for years . Just last month they had a parade when they thought they got Bernie

Now we got a real sexist and racist AND friend of Trump. Yet all is quiet

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

There isn’t a more productive senator than Sanders running unless you’re talking about Joe Biden. Amy and Bernie came into the Senate together so unless you’re talking about the times she worked with Republicans to do right wing shyt, that’s not really a thing.

productivity doesn't have a political spectrum or bend to what i agree/dont agree with. it's composed of metrics and bernie hasn't outpaced biden, amy or warren. if you want to applaud that because it was him sticking to his guns, you're free to do so.

 

[the cac mamba]

This is what happens when one party collapses.

Never Trumpers and ex-Republicans are crossing over to beat Trump.

Never Trump Republicans will not vote Bernie. He's too far left.

exactly

it's why i was pulling for a moderate. as vocal as a lot of those guys are, Project Lincoln and those dudes, they needed a democrat they could stomach and shame other people into voting for. bernie aint it

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

hillary fukked over the entire country by buying that nomination after she couldnt handle competition in 2008

can you fukking imagine if in 2016, the democrats had an open primary and bernie, warren, biden and hillary all ran fairly and the voters got to choose who won NO WAY trump gets elected after that. one of them, after that process, would have won and the party would have united around them. actually the ticket probably would have been a combo of 2 out of the 4

but no. hillary bought the fukking thing off and couldnt even deliver a win

we're still doing this? slightly less than half as many people participate in primaries than the general. and the average voter simply accepts who comes out their party. she fukked up in the midwest, that's why she lost, not because people were hurt over primaries, then end

 

[Json]

exactly

it's why i was pulling for a moderate. as vocal as a lot of those guys are, Project Lincoln and those dudes, they needed a democrat they could stomach and shame other people into voting for. bernie aint it

A lefty could win but the student loan, green deal, plus healthcare is a ceiling.

I think you can get one and hold a coalition across the spectrum.

 

[No1]

productivity doesn't have a political spectrum or bend to what i agree/dont agree with. it's composed of metrics and bernie hasn't outpaced biden, amy or warren. if you want to applaud that because it was him sticking to his guns, you're free to do so.

What metrics are these? Just bills passed?

 

[King Kreole]

WELL, WELL WELL...

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

WELL, WELL WELL...

Snake fukking oil

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

What metrics are these? Just bills passed?

(co) sponsored, enacted, missed vote %