I imagine he's had a stress echo and the results were less than stellar.I already mentioned that would be useful a couple days ago. But I’m just a Coli doctor with a shyt ton of school loan debt@Serious
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Why do you disagree with it?
Cant wait. Prob gonna drink for this one. Gotta distract myself from stocks
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
Are you out of your mind? You've been complaining for months that Warren must be lying because it's impossible to pay for M4A without raising middle class taxes. I provide her numbers and ask you to do the math like she did and point out how she's wrong. You respond by saying "...Well, she hasn't actually implemented M4A so she's still wrongshe hasnt actually done this and implemented it
what the fukk facts are you talking about? a plan is not facts
." You're arguing like a Republican. Just because you want Warren to be wrong doesn't mean she is. Your desires aren't a substitute for facts. Put up or shut up.
Th3G3ntleman
Superstar
My roommate hates bernie so much
Its hilarious
Dude works in pharma and uses every smear in the books when talking to me about him
Doesnt even respond when i counter. He just brings up another smear
Its hilarious
Dude works in pharma and uses every smear in the books when talking to me about him
Doesnt even respond when i counter. He just brings up another smear
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
I think she'll jab at him on the filibuster or being less effective than she is, but yeah, the big bombs (primarying Obama, Bernie's record on guns, Bernie's Castro/China comments, maybe even the rape fantasy and naked kids stuff) will come from the others.She isn't going to really go at him
the cac mamba
Banned
the irony of this when you're touting warren's desires as factsAre you out of your mind? You've been complaining for months that Warren must be lying because it's impossible to pay for M4A without raising middle class taxes. I provide her numbers and ask you to do the math like she did and point out how she's wrong. You respond by saying "...Well, she hasn't actually implemented M4A so she's still wrong
Just because you want Warren to be wrong doesn't mean she is. Your desires aren't a substitute for facts. Put up or shut up.
what a shytheadhow naive can you be to think that warren could actually pass that agenda?
she might as well run on giving all of us a million dollars. terrible posting, just awful
I'll re-up this later
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
i don't think eliminating private insurance is the best/only way to cover the uninsured. i dont have faith in the government to run an efficient, effective health care system - absolutely no government agency is run effectively or makes things easy for you when you have to deal with it - there's no accountability for most public employees. i don't trust the government - i don't trust them to cover the things my current insurance covers (esp re: women's productive rights, fertility, family planning issues), i already mistrust the FDA and the drugs they've let into the market and therefore don't trust them to govern a list of recommended medications for a govt health care plan, nor do i like the idea that coverage could swing wildly as the different parties come into and out of power. lastly, i'll end up paying more...i'm cool on that
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King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
There you go again, moving goalpoststhe irony of this when you're touting warren's desires as facts
how naive can you be to think that warren could actually pass that agenda?
Went from "Warren is lying because it's impossible to pay for M4A without raising middle-class taxes" to "Well she can't actually pass it so I'm still right
". Do the math or take the L. Quit arguing like a hoe.
the irony of this when you're touting warren's desires as facts
how naive can you be to think that warren could actually pass that agenda?
I wouldnt go that far but it is amusing to me when warren supporters are confident she could get her agenda through but bernie cant..yet also say that their proposals are very similar
nytimes.com
Bernie Sanders Outlines Funding for His Plans, but It May Not All Add Up
By Maggie Astor
7-9 minutes
After months of resistance to discussing how he would pay for his plans like “Medicare for all” and canceling student debt, Mr. Sanders announced the explanation at a CNN event on Monday.
Senator Bernie Sanders speaking at a rally in Austin, Tex., on Sunday.Credit...Tamir Kalifa for The New York Times
- Published Feb. 24, 2020Updated Feb. 25, 2020, 12:13 a.m. ET
The actual document is somewhat limited, and in some cases the revenue Mr. Sanders identifies doesn’t match the costs of his plans.
For example, he estimated Sunday night on “60 Minutes” that the price tag for his “Medicare for all” plan would be about $30 trillion over 10 years, but the revenue he identifies for it in the new outline totals about $17.5 trillion. It is possible that the gap could be filled by existing appropriations for Medicare and Medicaid, but Mr. Sanders did not mention those in his outline or in the Sunday interview.
But his decision to release the outline at all is significant given his months of resistance to discussing precisely how he would pay for his plans. That has been a major source of criticism, especially in the past few weeks, as he has cemented himself as the front-runner for the Democratic nomination.
He made the announcement Monday evening during a town hall-style event on CNN, where he was also pressed over his recent comments on Fidel Castro and the behavior of some of his supporters online.
After going largely unscathed in recent debates, Mr. Sanders is now facing the intense scrutiny that comes with being the front-runner, and the topics he confronted in the event on Monday are likely to come up again in Tuesday night’s debate.
The criticism over his longstanding refusal to release full details of how he would pay for his plans has come not only from moderates who argue that his agenda is unaffordable, but also from supporters of his main progressive rival, Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts.
Ms. Warren released a comprehensive plan in November to pay for her own version of Medicare for all, and the resulting scrutiny of the details was a major factor in her campaign’s decline. Mr. Sanders largely avoided that level of scrutiny by not releasing such extensive details.
His announcement on Monday came nominally in response to a question about whether his plan for free college was equivalent to President Trump’s promise to build a border wall and make Mexico pay for it: a rallying cry for supporters, but with no realistic path to happening.
But he had clearly anticipated an opportunity for the reveal, because he had a piece of paper ready to pull out of his pocket.
“I thought that question might come up. All right. Here it is,” he said. “This is a list, which will be on our website tonight, of how we pay for every program that we have developed.”
Within minutes, there it was.
Later in the forum, the most inevitable subject of the night came up: Mr. Sanders’s declaration on “60 Minutes” on Sunday that, while he opposed the authoritarianism of Cuba’s government, “it’s unfair to simply say everything is bad.”
“When Fidel Castro came to office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program,” he said in that interview. “Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?”
Those comments angered many Cuban-Americans, who are a powerful voting bloc in Florida. Asked about his comments in the town hall on Monday, Mr. Sanders repeated the example of Castro’s literacy program and said he had been “extremely consistent and critical of all authoritarian regimes all over the world, including Cuba, including Nicaragua, including Saudi Arabia, including China, including Russia.”
“I happen to believe in democracy, not authoritarianism,” he said. But, he added: “China is an authoritarian country, becoming more and more authoritarian. But can anyone deny — I mean, the facts are clear — that they have taken more people out of extreme poverty than any country in history? Do I get criticized because I say that? That’s the truth.”
The moderator, Chris Cuomo, separately pushed Mr. Sanders on his recent argument that Russians might be behind at least some of the online harassment associated with his campaign. It emerged last week that Mr. Sanders had been briefed on Russian efforts to interfere on his behalf, and Mr. Cuomo asked whether evidence of Russians masquerading as Sanders supporters had been part of that briefing.
It was not, Mr. Sanders said, declining to elaborate on the contents of the briefing because it was classified. But, he continued, he thought it stood to reason that Russians might have been behind, for example, harassment of the Culinary Workers Union in Nevada after it criticized Medicare for all.
“I have perhaps the strongest lifetime pro-union voting record of any member of the Congress,” Mr. Sanders said. “Does anybody really think anyone who’s a supporter of mine, that they would make ugly attacks against really excellent trade union leaders? It just seemed to me kind of fishy.”
He also reiterated what he has said in the past: that he did not want the support of online harassers.
“We do not want your support if you think that what our campaign is about is making ugly attacks on other candidates,” he said. “We don’t want you. You’re not part of us.”
But, he acknowledged, his campaign has millions of followers, “and I’m not going to tell you that we don’t have some jerks out there.”
Maggie Astor is a political reporter based in New York. Previously, she was a general assignment reporter and a copy editor for The Times and a reporter for The Record in New Jersey. @MaggieAstor
A version of this article appears in print on Feb. 25, 2020, Section A, Page 17 of the New York edition with the headline: Sanders Posts Funding Plan For Overhaul Of Insurance. Order Reprints | Today’s Paper | Subscribe
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I already mentioned that would be useful a couple days ago. But I’m just a Coli doctor with a shyt ton of school loan debt
the cac mamba
Banned
i might as well do the math on mexico paying for the wallThere you go again, moving goalposts
Went from "Warren is lying because it's impossible to pay for M4A without raising middle-class taxes" to "Well she can't actually pass it so I'm still right
Do the math or take the L. Quit arguing like a hoe.
except there was a better chance of that happeningwho's going to be right at the end of the day that warren's plan happens, like she says it will on the website.me or you?