2Pac having everyone scared to respond has to be the...

[West Coast Avenger]

Maybe an old head can correct me on this since I was only 1 year old when Pac died, but wasn't it Suge(not Pac) that nikkas feared?

It was both....

 

[Ron Fox]

You know what in general means right?

"who you thought kick in the door was for"

OK...I see where u are going with this...U saying that West Coast rappers were known for name calling while East Coast rappers weer mostly taking subliminal shots.
There's just one problem with such a statement. U also have to add the fact that The West (Too Short, NWA) and the south (Geto Boys , 2 Live Crew) used gimmicky methods to match up with their east coast dominant counterparts...Thats why The south and the west had rap music that was more vulgur in the 80's. You cant deny this reality. So to me all I see is the roots of The West just doing gimmicky shyt to stand out. But lets not act like "Roxannes Revenge" or that "The Bridge Is Over" never happend before we ever knew of any west coast rappers.

 

[kingdizzy01]

Biggest myth in hip hop history. He didnt really declare war on NY until Hit Em Up. Hit Em Up was released in June, Pac was killed in September. Back then, the business model was totally different. The goal was to sell albums, and having fans anxiously anticipate your album to see what you had to say in response, was ideally brilliant. This two decade old doctrine that Pac had everyone deathly afraid of coming at him, is colossal bullshyt. He simply died before he could receive his comeuppance.

pac never declared 'war' on nyc. he nade it clear it was fukk badboy. hit em up, made nikkaz, 2 of americas most wanted, mtv awards



ive never heard at anyone being afraid of coming at pac, infact diss songs were made but some didnt see the daylight due to his death

 

[The Big Dogg]

Maybe an old head can correct me on this since I was only 1 year old when Pac died, but wasn't it Suge(not Pac) that nikkas feared?

It was both....

I aint a old head but yeah nikkaz was scared of suge not pac to be honest but everybody liked and respected pac and looked up to him still to this day.

 

[boskey]

What month was it when he had Faith sitting up on his lap?

 

[Mac Casper]

"Hit 'Em Up" was a non-album single . . you're saying these dudes couldn't put a diss record on a B-Side back when singles actually sold

 

[OnlyInCalifornia]

Thats why The south and the west had rap music that was more vulgur in the 80's. You cant deny this reality. So to me all I see is the roots of The West just doing gimmicky shyt to stand out. But lets not act like "Roxannes Revenge" or that "The Bridge Is Over" never happend before we ever knew of any west coast rappers.

That has to do with the fact that the crack epidemic started in Los Angeles. That mixed with the gangs is why you saw much more violent, vulgar music come out from the area. Nothing gimmicky about it. Just the 'reality' you are trying to talk about.

 

[Cel 510 kid ados forever]

Ny nikkas got a line pushed on them by snoop e 40 and pac. no west coast rapper got did ever in nyc. Pac had them nikkas hiding wanting no smoke. ny never directly dissed la cause they always been scared of la nikkas

 

[tuckgod]

I'm saying that there was a clear difference in approach from east coast rappers in that era when it came time to talk shyt about other rappers where as on the west coast shyt was more direct...right or wrong?

If you say I'm right, then you can chalk that perception of "not responding" to the fact that Pac was bombin on nikkas directly while east coast rappers wanted to rap in code. We coming off the era of shyt like Dre Day and you got people like Jay Z "responding" to Pac with riddles, fukk that.

Rapping in code was one of the distinct features of East Coast emcees back then though breh

I remember when I first started getting into South and West Coast music

One of the first things that threw me off was how I was able to follow along exactly to what they were saying and get it on first listen (outside of 40 Water)

I was accustomed to listening closely and rewinding lines/verses/songs to catch those little nuggets

I say all that to say that IMO the difference in approach was more so due to a stylistic difference and not who was more gangsta with their shyt

 

[Ron Fox]

Maybe an old head can correct me on this since I was only 1 year old when Pac died, but wasn't it Suge(not Pac) that nikkas feared?

No one feared any of those dudes....They had whats called "notoriety"

Pac got shot in NYC and got shot in Vegas with Suge in the car. And the dude accused of killing Pac was killed in an incident that had nothing to do with Pac.....So much for fear

 

[Whooty Chaser]

It was both....

I have no doubt that Pac was a real one, anyone who shoots at the cops is no fraud, but was he really instilling the same kind of fear as Suge? I've heard the Vanilla Ice story, the Eazy E story, and I once read on here that Suge had rape goons on deck ready to fukk anyone who crossed him.

 

[OG Talk]

Biggest myth in hip hop history. He didnt really declare war on NY until Hit Em Up. Hit Em Up was released in June, Pac was killed in September. Back then, the business model was totally different. The goal was to sell albums, and having fans anxiously anticipate your album to see what you had to say in response, was ideally brilliant. This two decade old doctrine that Pac had everyone deathly afraid of coming at him, is colossal bullshyt. He simply died before he could receive his comeuppance.

Hav and P didn't have a problem busting back at all... Plus Big and Pac were being passive aggressive on Reasonable Doubt...


Pac just had a crazy work ethic and most rappers from that era were lazy as fukk.. Kicking back and getting fat on them fat advances record companies used to give.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Y'all have fun in here.Already know how it's going to play out.Seen it a million times

 

[Ron Fox]

That has to do with the fact that the crack epidemic started in Los Angeles. That mixed with the gangs is why you saw much more violent, vulgar music come out from the area. Nothing gimmicky about it. Just the 'reality' you are trying to talk about.

I'm gonna ignore that nonsense about where crack started but Why are u acting as if there wasnt a crack epidemic in NYC in the mid 80's???





The Fat Boys were from gully ass Brownsville but made fun raps.

You know who else did fun raps?? The west coast rappers, Digital Underground...Young MC....Tone Loc and MC Hammer.


Hammer and Tone Loc were way more mainstream then NWA and they werent spitting that violent vulgur shyt u talking..



Also....Eazy asked for Cube to lean more towards writting the raps with the cursing isntead of the east coast standard because he thought it stood out.....This is common knowledge. Dr Dre admitted that they were trying to make humrous records like Richard Pryor so that people could laugh. Hence the reason nikkaz4life is filled with humor.


Take your revisionist history somewhere else.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

Y'all have fun in here.Already know how it's going to play out.Seen it a million times

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