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[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Would love to see your source on this, considering, on quick search, it seems the census didn't even collect information on religion in 1860.

How much time you have on your hands?..........

http://mapserver.lib.virginia.edu/php/start.php?year=V1860#7

Used this tool to figure it out. One of the condition boxes in the form is 'Churches and Religion', others for race, county, etc.​

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

Yes, the white man would hate for blacks to stop ingesting the opiate of the masses and think for himself

He'd really hate it if we stopped all this retarded back-and-forth about nothing and actually worked on our community instead of lashing-out at scapegoats.​

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Religion, aside from some of the stupid shyt in the holy texts, teaches some beautiful and important things. Unfortunately humanity is too morally flawed for it to be executed properly

Whats unique to the bible that no one ever thought of before?

 

[jjj123]

Well, I've been identifying as an atheist for nearly a decade now, and nothing has changed between now and when I was Christian. I haven't been possessed.

How do you know you were possessed by a demon? What specifically happened? None of this vague nonsense "I opened the door, and bad shyt happened". And who did you ask for help?'

*edit* Nevermind. You already spent the last page avoiding answering this already.

A long series of events that i dont care to type as it would require too nuch tine and its own thread...

Ill try to cliff it...

Became atheist, demons came, got saved.

I know what demonic posession looks like. My aunt was posessed..when she left my home an evil stench of sulfur lingered, and a shadow person was watching me. I had to cleanse my home...

But its all a joke to u nikkas...

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Any evidence of secular institutions filling the same space as the church in communities? Any models we can look at?

Doesn't mean god exists.

You're deflecting.

 

[sun raw]

A long series of events that i dont care to type as it would require too nuch tine and its own thread...

Ill try to cliff it...

Became atheist, demons came, got saved.

I know what demonic posession looks like. My aunt was posessed..when she left my home an evil stench of sulfur lingered, and a shadow person was watching me. I had to cleanse my home...

But its all a joke to u nikkas...

man you just stole that from twin peaks

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

As a devout Christian, I'm not going to ridicule those of you who don't believe as I do, because we all brehs. But I will say that its very easy to discredit the Bible and God when you go into it looking to do so. The Bible says "His ways are not our ways" meaning we are not going to understand why He allows somethings to happen and keep some things from happening. You can't try to understand God in your own logical way of thinking because He doesn't operate or think like we do. Thats why He is who He is. I used to struggle with thoughts like OP mentioned but when I decided that I was gonna give this lifestyle a try, I literally began to understand more and more and now I've seen unexplainable miracles, I've seen people saved and I've felt the presence of God and seen His presence move an entire church building, sinners and saints alike. So I believe He is real. Just my 2 cents.

And for the record, I do not believe Jesus is a white, blued-eyed man. So if someone showed me 3 pictures of Garvy, Malcolm X, and the white Jesus (which is really an image based off of Cesare Borgia) and asked who is more important, my answer would not be the fake portrait of Jesus.

a lifestyle change doesn't mean god exists.

 

[Greenstrings]

Any evidence of secular institutions filling the same space as the church in communities? Any models we can look at?

The majority of Americans still defer to the cultural framework of organized religion regardless of their personal beliefs. At the same time the missions statement of most charities is secular and much of the role that the church used to carry out in the main has been swallowed by the state, which again is secular.

All this is besides the point. We're talking about atheism which doesn't necessarily correlate with secularism. Plus your criticism was of a lifestyle you ascribed to a set of individuals not institutions.

So I'll ask again, do you have any evidence that atheists as people are less altruistic?

 

[Poitier]

Doesn't mean god exists.

You're deflecting.

God doesn't have to exist for religion to have utility.

 

[MAKAVELI25]

Doesn't mean god exists.

You're deflecting.

He's not deflecting, he's pointing out that religion has some societal purpose whether or not the deity at the center exists or not.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Its always the same idiots not realizing that the purpose of religion is for social organization and that the ideology in the book is only a means to coalesce the community. "Logic" does not by itself bring together people or for example, Liberals would always win elections against Conservatives.

My thing with atheism is that many people use it as a means to scrap any responsibility to their communities and eschew social norms. Many take on nihilistic approaches to life and this world and shun any form of altruism.

None of this addresses whether or not this deity exists and actively issues commands

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

God doesn't have to exist for religion to have utility.

Community has utility

Religious faith in superstition does not.

Stop linking the two.

Religion has no monopoly on altruism or collectivism

 

[Poitier]

the missions statement of most charities is secular and much of the role that the church used to carry out in the main has been swallowed by the state, which again is secular.

Are they now? Name some and what roles they fill.

All this is besides the point. We're talking about atheism which doesn't necessarily correlate with secularism. Plus your criticism was of a lifestyle you ascribed to a set of individuals not institutions.

Individuals make institutions.

 

[MostReal]

no more wondering why my people were raped and brutalized by people who continue to prosper to this day

no more wondering why black youth younger than me are still gunned down in the streets with impunity like animals


no more simple-minded, fairy tale rationales about spirituality, as opposed to being proactive and getting what's mine and ours in this world (curse of ham)


in short, even if god were hypothetically real, just from the religious construct of our flawed society and especially treatment of blacks, he's a fuccboi off GP

Agent

 

[Poitier]

Religion has no monopoly on altruism or collectivism

Who made this argument?

I said it was EFFECTIVE. Show me a non-religious model just as EFFECTIVE.