39 years ago today (August 11, 1973)...

[KENNY DA COOKER]

the book "The Big Payback" goes into a LOT of detail about DJ Hollywood in particular & Herc.

yeah..it's a very intresting story..

those TWO DIDN'T LIKE EACH OTHER....and to this day they still got issues over who was the FIRST to contribute to what we know as hip hop

at the HIP HOP HONORS award show on VH1 where they both was present, they were in the same balcony seperated just mean mugging....

when in fact BOTH are responsible for it's orgin......

these "jams" whether they were thrown by Herc or Hollywood served the purpose of entertaining a crowd that weren't entertained or allowed in MAINSTREAM clubs such as the STUDIO 54's and other discos at the time....

they were the anti-establishement

herc with his "b-boy" crowd who love to spin on thier heads and listen to breakbeats..and hollywood with his "urban disco" crowd who wanted to listen to songs other than the Bee Gees.......

they just represented two different dynamics in hip hop

one which was the more mechanical cultural aspects (herc)

and the other which was stylish aesthetics (hollywood)

in fact DJ HOLLYWOOD was known for telling any visting "b-boys" from uptown to "take all that spinning on your head shyt (breakdancing) UPTOWN to Kool Herc parties"

it was a different scene downtown....

certain records Hollywood would play..Herc would never play....

particularly the "flossy disco and r&b records"....Herc was into more obscure sounds...although he did play a significant amount of disco as well...because it was the 70's

i'm gonna post a Herc prototype playlist soon....so u can get an idea

which still plays out today.....the conscious skill having Hip Hop vs. the Bling out Flashy Hip Hop....

 

[Reggie]

Go to youtube and listen to Preachers Delight. And tell me that ain't the first rap record on the low.

 

[TEKBEATZ]

 

[JoelB]

YES!!!!!!

if that flyer is real, then thats the greatest post of all-time.

 

[VladTheImpaler]

Yes, if the flyer is real and not a creation.... it's cool!

 

[AkaDemiK]

YES!!!!!!

if that flyer is real, then thats the greatest post of all-time.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

that's my hiphop

 

[up in here]

yeah..it's a very intresting story..

those TWO DIDN'T LIKE EACH OTHER....and to this day they still got issues over who was the FIRST to contribute to what we know as hip hop

at the HIP HOP HONORS award show on VH1 where they both was present, they were in the same balcony seperated just mean mugging....

when in fact BOTH are responsible for it's orgin......

these "jams" whether they were thrown by Herc or Hollywood served the purpose of entertaining a crowd that weren't entertained or allowed in MAINSTREAM clubs such as the STUDIO 54's and other discos at the time....

they were the anti-establishement

herc with his "b-boy" crowd who love to spin on thier heads and listen to breakbeats..and hollywood with his "urban disco" crowd who wanted to listen to songs other than the Bee Gees.......

they just represented two different dynamics in hip hop

one which was the more mechanical cultural aspects (herc)

and the other which was stylish aesthetics (hollywood)

in fact DJ HOLLYWOOD was known for telling any visting "b-boys" from uptown to "take all that spinning on your head shyt (breakdancing) UPTOWN to Kool Herc parties"

it was a different scene downtown....

certain records Hollywood would play..Herc would never play....

particularly the "flossy disco and r&b records"....Herc was into more obscure sounds...although he did play a significant amount of disco as well...because it was the 70's

i'm gonna post a Herc prototype playlist soon....so u can get an idea

which still plays out today.....the conscious skill having Hip Hop vs. the Bling out Flashy Hip Hop....

DJ Hollywood was a popular DJ and can claim in part to rapping over beats, but the reason Herc gets the credit is because he introduced the specific art of switching between breakbeats to create a loop which is the basis from which hip-hop was born.

 

[spliz]

Go to youtube and listen to Preachers Delight. And tell me that ain't the first rap record on the low.

The original song is in fact rap and Noone can tell me different..lol...

 

[tybo]

On my block. I grew up in the next building!!

 

[Rominati]

We've come to so far

 

[Da Rhythm Rebel]

this is a FIVE STAR THREAD!! ....history right thier!

yeah the flyer is definitly real..based simply on the fact that as the poster Davey Dave stated in the early 70's the term "HIP HOP' wasn't even used to describe the scene back then...it was simply call "THE JAM".....

i recall being around my uncle and pops who were into "digging the crates" (collecting records searching for grooves) and they always talked about the "jams" ....

and i do recall as a youngin the first time Run Dmc went on tour it was referred to as "JAMFEST"..

"Hip Hop" really didn't become defined till the GOLDEN ERA when cats like Krs One came about trying to give the cutlure an identity...

prior to that it was simply called "THE JAM" basically house parties or outside gathering in the parks, where a DIVERSE MIX of sounds played mostly based on the "breaks" that deejays like Kool Herc , Flash and Bambatta would spin for extended periods for the dancers i.e (breakdancers) which eventually became what we know today as "looping"

All this took place "up in the bronx" at places like Sedgwick ave as listed on the flyer and Gun Hill road....

but as far as it being the "FIRST "HIP HOP" based party is debatable...

because while all that was going on in the Bronx with herc and flash

meanwhile downtown in manhatten you had another scene of guys spinning breaks mostly disco related....and their dancers weren't popping and breaking on the dancefloor....nah they were much to fly for that..they were CHAMPAGNE POPPING, STACEY ADAM WEARING players and playettes that partied to the sounds of DJ PETE JONES and DJ HOLLYWOOD.....

So you have 2 dynamics inlufencing the CULTURE.....

the hardcore b-boy set uptown in the bronx..and the more sophisticated "balling" lifestyle in downtown manhatten.....as you can see today they both played a major role.

this is amazing! thank you for sharing this!

6 months after I was born almost to the day this party took place.

and yes i'm sure it's debatable where the 1st jam took place, but at least with this flyer we have a visual piece of evidence to serve as some type of starting point. Amazing nevertheless!

 

[head shots101]

Bronx blocks

 

[Da Rhythm Rebel]

yeah..it's a very intresting story..

those TWO DIDN'T LIKE EACH OTHER....and to this day they still got issues over who was the FIRST to contribute to what we know as hip hop

at the HIP HOP HONORS award show on VH1 where they both was present, they were in the same balcony seperated just mean mugging....

when in fact BOTH are responsible for it's orgin......

these "jams" whether they were thrown by Herc or Hollywood served the purpose of entertaining a crowd that weren't entertained or allowed in MAINSTREAM clubs such as the STUDIO 54's and other discos at the time....

they were the anti-establishement

herc with his "b-boy" crowd who love to spin on thier heads and listen to breakbeats..and hollywood with his "urban disco" crowd who wanted to listen to songs other than the Bee Gees.......

they just represented two different dynamics in hip hop

one which was the more mechanical cultural aspects (herc)

and the other which was stylish aesthetics (hollywood)

in fact DJ HOLLYWOOD was known for telling any visting "b-boys" from uptown to "take all that spinning on your head shyt (breakdancing) UPTOWN to Kool Herc parties"

it was a different scene downtown....

certain records Hollywood would play..Herc would never play....

particularly the "flossy disco and r&b records"....Herc was into more obscure sounds...although he did play a significant amount of disco as well...because it was the 70's

i'm gonna post a Herc prototype playlist soon....so u can get an idea

which still plays out today.....the conscious skill having Hip Hop vs. the Bling out Flashy Hip Hop....

great insight.

Reading this I get the feeling "the more things change, the more they stay the same" regarding your very last sentence.

as the years have gone on it seems accepted that Kool Herc, Afrika Bambaataa, and Grandmaster Flash are the three Founding Fathers of the culture....(of course there were more than just them, but it always comes back to those three) but I wonder if DJ Hollywood feels some type of way that his name is never put on the same level as those three.

would love to hear/know what was going on, on the West Coast at this time as well...

 

[KENNY DA COOKER]

DJ Hollywood was a popular DJ and can claim in part to rapping over beats, but the reason Herc gets the credit is because he introduced the specific art of switching between breakbeats to create a loop which is the basis from which hip-hop was born.

That's not true..and the only reason you and many others including myself THOUGHT this to be true was due to the fact that the MEDIA was fascinated with the KOOL HERC's uptown movement and most early rappers were from the uptown era and attended Herc and Bam parties.......because it was this DYNAMIC along with Bambatta and Flash that eventually EVOLVED into the RAP MUSIC INDUSTRY we know of today...

but in reality , the downtown urban disco scene had these INNOVATIONS as well if not earlier such as breakbeats and rapping the only things missing from the downtown club deejays such as hollywood and Pete Jones was SCRATCHING and BREAKING...


ALSO we never or rarely get to hear the stories from guys like Hollywood, Jones and Eddie Cheeba

but here is a rare interview with Mr. Jones


according to disco deejay Pete Jones who Hollywood ran with..the extention of breakbeats to create a loop was being done by himself prior to the 73 Kool Herc jams in the park......

JayQuan : Peace ...I don't know where to start....when did you start actually spinning 2 copies of the same record...and what kind of records were you working with ?



Pete Jones : Well it was around 69 or 70....stuff by James Brown , Peoples Choice , BB King , Johnny Taylor , Fatback Band...I have actually done production work for Fatback . ...People from their record label would see me spinning in the clubs and bring me records to rate......then I started producing for them .

JayQuan : What made you spin 2 copies of a record back in 69 ?



PJ : Well you know the best part of the record is the breakdown....what guys started calling the break or breakbeat. That was the part that got people dancing....so I would play that part continous . I had a mixer that had a cue ...so that you could hear the record on one turntable while the other one played . I would have 2 copies....usually a 45 (rpm) and a 3 minute song could get extended to 10 minutes. There weren't that many songs out , so if I had to Dj a party that lasted 3 hours ; I had to extend those breakdowns.



PETE DJ JONES

now it begs the question WHERE DID MR. PETE JONES get the idea for CONTINUOUS LOOPING OF BREAKS from records???

that's another story but it relates to the underlying reasons for the intoduction of the 12 INCH record and the Jamaican dancehall subculture of the 60's aka DUB MUSIC.......

My friend the ORGINS OF HIP HOP is even more convaluted than we think

it's almost like trying to find the orgin of the universe