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[AITheAnswerAI]

The issue with that Denver situation was that Iverson was a redundant scorer with Melo on the team....so of course the team would be better without the redundancy and a pass first guard in Chauncey.

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

The issue with that Denver situation was that Iverson was a redundant scorer with Melo on the team....so of course the team would be better without the redundancy and a pass first guard in Chauncey.

Chauncey wasnt a pass first pg though

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

Chauncey wasnt a pass first pg though

He passed more than A.I is the point

 

[WOAHMYGOODNESS]

The issue with that Denver situation was that Iverson was a redundant scorer with Melo on the team....so of course the team would be better without the redundancy and a pass first guard in Chauncey.

Chauncey was not a pass first pg though

In fact iverson got more assists with denver then billups. Billips was just better then iverson in the intangibles

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Duncan lost that title since 2006

That's pure PS. Duncan was clearly the best player on the Spurs in 2007. He was MAYBE slightly behind Tony Parker offensively, but so far ahead of him defensively that his overall value was far higher. Duncan was 1st-team All-NBA and an All-star starter that year, no one else on the Spurs even made an all-NBA team. Tony Parker won Finals MVP just because he had an easy-as-hell matchup going against rookie Boobie Gibson and everyone looks at offense first in those things.

Duncan was still the best player on the Spurs for years after that.

2008: Duncan 2nd team All-NBA, Ginobli 3rd team All-NBA
2009: Duncan 2nd team All-NBA, Parker 3rd team All-NBA
2010: Duncan 3rd team All-NBA, no one else on all-NBA team

Somewhere around 2010-2012 Tony Parker might have been more important on the court (though Duncan was still the leader of the defense and emotional leader of the team). But then he started aging off his prime and Duncan was at least as important as him again by the 2012-13 season (when Duncan made 1st-team All-NBA on the strength of 18-10-3 on 50% shooting plus 3 blocks/game and 2nd-team All-defensive despite playing just 30 minutes/game). In the 2013 NBA Finals, Duncan was easily the best player on the Spurs for the series and would have won his 4th Finals MVP if the Spurs had managed a rebound in the last 20 seconds of Game 6.

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

Chauncey was not a pass first pg though

No he wasn't, but he still passed more than A.I did. I still remember A.I scoring his ass off on that team:

In fact iverson got more assists with denver then billups. Billips was just better then iverson in the intangibles

I'm gonna need receipts, and context for said receipts.

Because in my recollection that team was run and gun with A.I but a little slower and more ball movement with Chauncey.

 

[zayk35]

Reality>>>stats. Half you nikkas didn't see either one so you rely on stats as a argument.

I saw his whole career ...never really checked his stats like that but from what I know I saw its about right... On sportscenter they would show what Iverson did even when Philly was getting blown out but if u don't finish the highlight you would think he carried them to some great victory....I respect his career but he just wasn't my guy

 

[Sean312]

Bur when I say this I get a million negs tho? Lmao

 

[CarbonBraddock]

shrink lebron down to ai's size and see where he ranks, mufukkas hating on the answer

 

[CarbonBraddock]

Is that a good excuse? Kobe, Wade, Lebron, etc have similar scoring but much better efficienct. Curry, Durant, etc

I think Iveson is an ATG but he's still not on the same level, in terms of on-court impact, as Durant or Wade.



So we give extra bonus points if you're smaller now?

Are Isaiah Thomas and Nate top 20 players in the NBA because they're smaller than anyone else on the court or should judge them by their impact?



He's still an elite offensive player with an elite skill set so I wouldn't call him Jamal but I don't understand how people can think he's better than Wade, Durant, Lebron, Kobe, KG, etc.

I put him in the same category that I put Nash in. All time elite players with an offensive impact that can't be quantified but not quite on the same levels as GOAT.

I find it funny how Nash is consistently disrespected on here despite the fact that he has Iverson's exact same skill (Better vision but less athletic) set but no one gives him pound for pound points even though he was the smallest dude on the court, constantly attacking, had the biggest heart on the court, etc.

Nash is pretty much white Iverson.

never go full retard breh. don't even reply, just know that you lost credibility posting this shyt.

 

[Colin X]

tbh, I've seen more people talk about his impact on the culture than how he actually played

 

[010101]

at his peak he's blowing by any defender and he's taking their anklebones with him
no picks or screens required

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbut the analytics the numbers the stats
suck a dikk you dweebs jahahahahaa

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[DIMES]

That's pure PS. Duncan was clearly the best player on the Spurs in 2007. He was MAYBE slightly behind Tony Parker offensively, but so far ahead of him defensively that his overall value was far higher. Duncan was 1st-team All-NBA and an All-star starter that year, no one else on the Spurs even made an all-NBA team. Tony Parker won Finals MVP just because he had an easy-as-hell matchup going against rookie Boobie Gibson and everyone looks at offense first in those things.

Duncan was still the best player on the Spurs for years after that.

2008: Duncan 2nd team All-NBA, Ginobli 3rd team All-NBA
2009: Duncan 2nd team All-NBA, Parker 3rd team All-NBA
2010: Duncan 3rd team All-NBA, no one else on all-NBA team

Somewhere around 2010-2012 Tony Parker might have been more important on the court (though Duncan was still the leader of the defense and emotional leader of the team). But then he started aging off his prime and Duncan was at least as important as him again by the 2012-13 season (when Duncan made 1st-team All-NBA on the strength of 18-10-3 on 50% shooting plus 3 blocks/game and 2nd-team All-defensive despite playing just 30 minutes/game). In the 2013 NBA Finals, Duncan was easily the best player on the Spurs for the series and would have won his 4th Finals MVP if the Spurs had managed a rebound in the last 20 seconds of Game 6.

07 tony
08 Manu
09 tony
10' tony & Manu
11' tony
12' tony
13' Timmy

Now - Kawhi & Aldridge

Agreeable?

 

[Damnshow]

analytics

whenever its iverson thread people either overrate him or underrate him with some analytics numbers. He was inefficient because that's how billy king built that sixers team. If kobe played for the sixers he would be ringless too. Using fukking efficieny to tell me that if eric fukking snow got few more assists from AI that shyt might have been better "He didn't carry nobodies he had a great roster in 2001", besides Dikembe (who was a complete black hole on offense) other teammates were forgettable. Mckie who somehow won 6th man of the year title he could defend and score but he would never average like 18 points per game unless the team tanked and gave him the green light to score.

Eric Snow was warming up the bench in Seattle before arriving to Philly. But somehow analytic geeks will say that holly shyt he had eric snow "if eric didnt play with AI he would have been a much better player".

When broke ass billy king tried to make some move, like trading for injury prone c-webb when c-webb had a sort of healthier season in 2005-06 AI's numbers got more efficient because he had a teammate who really required his opponents to play some defense on someone else besides AI, oh and Iggy was nice too. In fact in two seasons from 04 to 06 AI's advanced stats were better because he had a few decent teamamtes on offense.

 

[Supercoolmayo]

I thought iverson would lose coli stans after the all lives matter thing