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[Fani Willis fan]

fukk outta here bruh. When was he NOT the best player on the Spurs during a championship run outside of the 2014 title and even that's debatable

when they beat cavs

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Iverson would be unguardable in today's era



nikka would shoot 18 fts a game

 

[malbaker86]

when they beat cavs

He was the best player on that team then

He averaged 20, 11, 3, and 2 that season and upped it to 23, 12, 3, and 3 in the playoffs but you're gonna tell me TP was better right?

 

[#SOG_soldier]

People really think Nash is better than Iverson? Lmao what?

Prime stotutidmire>>>>>Nash

 

[#SOG_soldier]

Prime Nash was dealing with the fukking Duncan led Spurs in the WCF while Iverson had to contend with Reggie Miller led Pacers and barely squeaking by the Allen led bucks.

Put those Iverson teams in the West, does he make it out of that conference?

Put those Suns in the East, do they make it past the fukking Bucks, Raptors, and Pacers?

Stat with ai would be a championship

 

[Originalman]

thread title is a cap-up. I thought this thread was gonna expose some scandals.

anyway, this sounds like an analytic stat geek that really doesn't understand basketball. and a lot of these stats either lack perspective, or are downright misleading.

and these are the typical types that don't understand why Iverson is rated so highly. they also hate him off the court, and let those emotions get in the way of their on-court opinions.

Iverson is in my top 20.
in terms of pound-for-pound, hes no lower than top 10. theres a reason why people in the league have called him the goat pound-for-pound player.






that's expected to happen when youre the sole source of your team's offense while being the smallest person on the court.

like I said - perspective.

Dude are wild man. I wasnt even the biggest AI fan, but of course he is gonna shoot a bad percentage and he was barely 6-0 and 170 pounds soaking wet all while being guarded by SG who were bigger and taller than him. And being the only shot maker on his team and the only creater.

Even in the finals after game 1 the Lakers put 6-7 Kobe Bryant on him for the rest of the series.

 

[Draje]

The playoff numbers don't mean much without context. Iverson was surrounded by trash, he led literally the worst team to ever play in the NBA finals. D Wade had prime Shaq, had a 15 win season, then kept getting knocked out the first round with a talented team. Then he played with Lebron.

If Iverson played with Shaq his percentages would look a lot better.

Iverson led the league in steals, passing lane or not that's still defense. Wade never did that. Blocking shots as a 2 guard because you're leaving your man to go help or getting blown by and have to chase them down is overrated. Wade is famous for getting burned on back door cuts Bc he's looking to leave his guy and block a shot.

Eye test tells me Iverson night and night out was a more dominant player and dynamic player

Prime Shaq?

Did you nikkas actually watch the Heat?

I'm gonna post these playoffs numbers and I want you to tell me who you think is clearly better.

13.9 PPG (49%) / 13.7 REB / 3.1 BLKS /.7 AST (1.6 TOV) / .7 STLs

Vs

18.4 PPG (61%) / 9.8 REB / 1.5 BLKS / 1.7 AST (3.7 TOV) / .5 STL

Even if you think Shaq is better, this isn't some clear cut victory in his favor. Mutumbo was better on the boards, a DPOTY and most impactful presence on a team that won games on their defensive strength, much less turnover prone, and still a consistent scorer.

You're acting like Wade hasn't put seasons comparable with Iverson's best when playing with bums.

You point out Iverson having weak teammates but don't mention that Wade had knee and shoulder surgery before that season so he came in late and then missed 30 games that season.

Dude was playing on a bum knee and needed months of rehabilitation plus the Miami Heat roster was extremely injured overall. Wade came back the next year, healed, and finished 3rd in MVP voting (Under Bron and Kobe).

Wade was a 3x All NBA 2nd defensive team player and lost out to Bruce Bowen and Kobe both those years. Prime Wade was an elite defensive player and you cherry picking defensive lowlights during the later years of his career is disingenuous and pathetic.

Wade's best seasons are clearly better than Iverson. Wade's all-around game and overall impact on both sides of the court is better than Iverson. Wade consistently performers better against playoff/good defenses than Iverson does.

Wade is better. He scores similar on much higher efficiency while being more impactful in every other single aspect of basketball (Playmaking, defense, rebounding, basketball IQ, etc).

You can talk as much crap as you want about Wade's defense, he's still MUCH better than Iverson. You mention Iverson's steals but act like Curry didn't just lead the league in steals too over much better and more impactful defenders.

Your eye test means shyt because you completely disregard anything that isn't scoring while ignoring that Wade scored slightly lower than Iverson on vastly higher efficiency and in less minutes.

 

[JackRoss]

People really think Nash is better than Iverson? Lmao what?

Yeah I pretty much quit on this thread with that post.. It's like people forget just how good that Phoenix team was or they just straight discount the "bums" during AI Philly days.... Something is not adding up... Numbers don't lie but they don't always tell the true story

 

[ALonelyDad]

Did not read, he should delete his twitter account. He's not top 10 but still a great player..dude is acting like Iverson was some benchwarmer

 

[Originalgangsta317]

I gotta replace DWade with T-Mac but that's my top 5. T-Mac went up against MJ, Kobe, Reggie, AI, Prime Ray, Prime Rip, etc. and dominated the league, he just didn't have the help to get to the next level.

D Wade caught those guys at the tail end of their careers and the 2-guard position is just now coming back into being a top flight position

Bruh

Tmac is for sure possibly top 5-10 most talented players to ever come into the league,he was Durant with a mean streak and a crazy handle,but when ranking him he's gonna be a lot lower than what he could've been because of the injuries and lack of hardware.

Tmac is under Wade and Iverson in terms of LEGACY

 

[Tha_Mac]

Why is it that numbers are supposed to be the end all be all but when a video is shown of say Steph Curry getting owned on the defensive side not accepted? People will come up with every stat available to them to say Curry is a good-great defender but a team like the Cavs offensive strategy was to get Curry iso'd on their top 2 scorers and go to work.

 

[David_TheMan]

Ai isn't top 10 All time, definitely #1 P4P though or atleast in top 3 P4P

 

[tone wone]

Eye test tells me Iverson night and night out was a more dominant player and dynamic player

Then you need you need glasses.

No one is calling AI a bum but Wade is a legit top 25 player of all-time. Iverson ain't on that level.

 

[Draje]

Stat with ai would be a championship

nikka, you lost your mind.

Nash was averaging 23 and 11 during the playoffs on over 50% shooting in the playoffs despite going against teams like the Spurs, Grizzlies, Mavericks, etc.

Go look at Prime Nash's playoff numbers (04-07 , those 3 playoff runs) and look at the teams he put those numbers against plus look at the teams he lost to.

Most of Iverson's eye-popping playoff seasons had him losing in the first round too. Any time Iverson got out of the first round in the playoffs, his efficiency and FG% was in the HIGH 30s or low 40s even during his prime. Nash shot over 50% TWICE during his prime while doubling his assists but he was doing it in like 5-6 less minutes.

Nash was a fukking monster in the playoffs. Averaged a goddamn 20+ PPG / 10+ AST double double in the playoff for three straight years on efficiency that Iverson could only dream of. Just go look at the fukking numbers and then go look at how good the teams that knocked him out were.

 

[#SOG_soldier]

nikka, you lost your mind.

Nash was averaging 23 and 11 during the playoffs on over 50% shooting in the playoffs despite going against teams like the Spurs, Grizzlies, Mavericks, etc.

Go look at Prime Nash's playoff numbers (04-07 , those 3 playoff runs) and look at the teams he put those numbers against plus look at the teams he lost to.

Most of Iverson's eye-popping playoff seasons had him losing in the first round too. Any time Iverson got out of the first round in the playoffs, his efficiency and FG% was in the HIGH 30s or low 40s even during his prime. Nash shot over 50% TWICE during his prime while doubling his assists but he was doing it in like 5-6 less minutes.

Nash was a fukking monster in the playoffs. Averaged a goddamn 20+ PPG / 10+ AST double double in the playoff for three straight years on efficiency that Iverson could only dream of. Just go look at the fukking numbers and then go look at how good the teams that knocked him out were.

Prime Iverson second option was mckie. Nash wasn't even the best player on that team STAT was.