5 people arrested in connection to Pop Smoke's murder. UPDATE: 2 CHARGED with murder.

[tuckgod]

While I don't agree, for you slow fukks.

That’s not a sentence, genius.

 

[FOUR_ONE_TWO]

Apologies in advance for a potential thread derailment, but my man, people who believe this theory never seem to give a plausible answer to this question.

Why would Violetta Wallace and her lawyers drop the case they had against the LAPD if the information uncovered by the task force wasn't credible?

No law firm on this planet is gonna cease pursuing a nearly half billion dollar landmark victory UNLESS they know there is zero chance of winning the case. And they wouldn't have accepted the suit in the first place if they felt that there was no case to be made to begin with.

So what changed? (That last question was rhetorical. What changed was that new information was uncovered disproving the "Cops killed Biggie" theory.)

My man, in order to understand Biggie's murder, you'd have to somewhat understand LAPD and Los Angeles' politics and history as well. Not trying to be condescending, but what went on in the Biggie (and Tupac) murder is so deep that answering that question isn't so simple. Best I can say is that the whole Murder Rap theory was literally created to get them out of that lawsuit. Doesn't matter how solid your side is if everybody else against you is in cahoots to stop the truth...

 

[New Jeruzalem Journalist]

My man, in order to understand Biggie's murder, you'd have to somewhat understand LAPD and Los Angeles' politics and history as well. Not trying to be condescending, but what went on in the Biggie (and Tupac) murder is so deep that answering that question isn't so simple. Best I can say is that the whole Murder Rap theory was literally created to get them out of that lawsuit. Doesn't matter how solid your side is if everybody else against you is in cahoots to stop the truth...

Fam, it ain't enough cahoots in the universe to stop a half BILLION dollar settlement from moving forward if you have the truth and evidence on your side. If the findings of the federal task force were bullshyt, Violetta's lawyers would have jumped at the opportunity of bringing down the LAPD and winning a settlement that large. It would have been the most notorious (no pun intended) civil ruling in U.S. legal history.

Instead, her lawyers agreed to have the case dismissed. It's been over 10 yrs and they haven't bothered wasting their time or money in re-pursuing the case, when their public stance at the time was to refile the suit at a later date. And she hasn't made any effort in doing so either.

Is Biggie's mom part of the cover up too now?

 

[Frida Giezman]

“I don’t politic cuz nikkas ain’t like that”

surprise dudes ain’t in here talking about checkin in

 

[You Win Perfect]

Signal intelligence? Unless they were smart enough not to have electronics on them

nah what people don't understand is that the police already had them as suspects in the first place but they play dumb until they can get that phone records all your text messages and all your social media messages and then they watch you for months until they get what they need.
young dudes like to brag so i guarantee they got messages somewhere where they snitch on themselves. its too easy with cell phones and social media accounts now.

 

[DeuceZ]

If they the ones who killed Pop over some opportunistic shyt throw the book at em

 

[Art Barr]

Apologies in advance for a potential thread derailment, but my man, people who believe this theory never seem to give a plausible answer to this question.

Why would Violetta Wallace and her lawyers drop the case they had against the LAPD if the information uncovered by the task force wasn't credible?

No law firm on this planet is gonna cease pursuing a nearly half billion dollar landmark victory UNLESS they know there is zero chance of winning the case. And they wouldn't have accepted the suit in the first place if they felt that there was no case to be made to begin with.

So what changed? (That last question was rhetorical. What changed was that new information was uncovered disproving the "Cops killed Biggie" theory.)

the so-called solved biggie case sound like straight cap.

you can believe what you want but i don't believe that is what really factually happened at all. Nor that was who did it as well.

like i said,...
ain't no state moving 500 million worth of gold from their state reserve.
to no out of state private personal estate reserve for nobody.

you can believe what you want.
yet i know this actualized shyt as far as civil lawsuits in this country as I lived it, frfr.


you can believe the bullshyt pr story spins you get from the media all you want.

I know what capitalism is frfr, from an actualized place.

When you start going after chamber of commerce endorsed entities.


art barr

 

[banner34]

My man, in order to understand Biggie's murder, you'd have to somewhat understand LAPD and Los Angeles' politics and history as well. Not trying to be condescending, but what went on in the Biggie (and Tupac) murder is so deep that answering that question isn't so simple. Best I can say is that the whole Murder Rap theory was literally created to get them out of that lawsuit. Doesn't matter how solid your side is if everybody else against you is in cahoots to stop the truth...

Pac got killed by the south side crips

 

[banner34]

nah what people don't understand is that the police already had them as suspects in the first place but they play dumb until they can get that phone records all your text messages and all your social media messages and then they watch you for months until they get what they need.
young dudes like to brag so i guarantee they got messages somewhere where they snitch on themselves. its too easy with cell phones and social media accounts now.

Yup the just need enough to get a murder warrant probably was suspects from day one

 

[murksiderock]

How are y'all so quick to take what he said as fact without any proof to validate such claims???

Because it helps heighten him as a martyr...

Your other post was on point too, people are wishy-washy and change with the wind on when the police are praiseworthy or not...

I'm not about to praise police for doing their job. Ain't no man's life worth more than the next, Pop died and just like those before and after him, law enforcement has an obligation to investigate. His death ain't worth more and the other part of it is when dudes don't separate from the activities, this outcome is increasingly likely. I remember the original thread on his death people condemning the shooters, but the shooters/robbers are caught up in the same lifestyle of violence Pop was in and/or and glorified, so you can't condemn one without condemning all...

Instead of picking and choosing which rappers deaths are worth condemning or uplifting, cats need to stop supporting all this music that glorifies black genocide. I know it's a beaten horse for alot of people in here, but I don't really care. Some of us walked those shoes and made it out the other side, so I didn't always feel how I do now. This shyt ain't the wave anymore and when the consumers of this shyt stop helping feed the beast, we can start on the track to their being fewer Pop Smokes killed in our culture. Period...

 

[fifth column]

Because it helps heighten him as a martyr...

Your other post was on point too, people are wishy-washy and change with the wind on when the police are praiseworthy or not...

I'm not about to praise police for doing their job. Ain't no man's life worth more than the next, Pop died and just like those before and after him, law enforcement has an obligation to investigate. His death ain't worth more and the other part of it is when dudes don't separate from the activities, this outcome is increasingly likely. I remember the original thread on his death people condemning the shooters, but the shooters/robbers are caught up in the same lifestyle of violence Pop was in and/or and glorified, so you can't condemn one without condemning all...

Instead of picking and choosing which rappers deaths are worth condemning or uplifting, cats need to stop supporting all this music that glorifies black genocide. I know it's a beaten horse for alot of people in here, but I don't really care. Some of us walked those shoes and made it out the other side, so I didn't always feel how I do now. This shyt ain't the wave anymore and when the consumers of this shyt stop helping feed the beast, we can start on the track to their being fewer Pop Smokes killed in our culture. Period...

So what do you suggest nikkas rap about? Rap is an art form and entertainment like the movies. Should Denzel stop making violent movies? Dumb shyt happens from time to time in life.

 

[TELL ME YA CHEESIN FAM?]

I don't get it.. there were mad people at that house.. why only kill son if it was a robbery gone wrong?

 

[murksiderock]

So what do you suggest nikkas rap about? Rap is an art form and entertainment like the movies. Should Denzel stop making violent movies? Dumb shyt happens from time to time in life.

The problem is that the lines are now blurred between art and real life and impressionable young black kids cant tell the difference. The art of hip hop has a larger influence in our youth than movies do, that's a fact and everyone knows it. These messages are fed to our kids and they have become normalized...

My suggestion is that these hundreds, thousands of black artists in the genre STOP, or DE-ESCALATE, the frequency with which they project glorification of drugs and violence.

Let's not act like you cant talk about other things, because I can give a long line of examples from Nelly to LL to whoever who don't project these images in their music. The industry heads will push back (because its white owned and black men as violent piccaninnies is an age old American Way), but if more of our artists stood their ground on what they want to sell consumers, eventually the industry will flip to what is sold...

These white rappers are successful without overwhelmingly selling violence, why is that? And why is our genre the only one that has, let's call it what it is, our genre is the only one with mass murders? Not country, not pop, not rock, not gospel, not EDM, no one else has these mass violence issues. Because I'm not saying you cant talk about some of this stuff at all, but let's keep it a bean: when people think of hip hop, the image in the minds eye is glorification of materialism, violence, and drugs...

Stereotypes that America preyed on us before hip hop, and we cultivated the most popular genre in the world and allow them to perpetuate these stereotypes further with our willful inclusion...

Cats gotta stop acting like there's no other way, like we have to do hip hop the way it is, that's a cop out. For me and my part, I don't believe in censoring music or movies, etc, because life ain't gonna bleep out curses and derogatory language when they out at the store, parked at a stoplight, have an angry teacher in school, etc. Life ain't gonna bleep out that they WILL know people who are sexually abused, people who commit crimes, people who are racist, etc...

I have two daughters. When they get old enough to feel what I listen to, and then choose their own music and such, my job and objective is to tell them that the music/movies whatever else are art sold for entertainment, to explain to them the harm that some of these images perpetuate on black people, and to understand the harm they inflict on us as a people if they carry themselves with certain behaviors publicly. So let's be honest, did your parents or guardians have that conversation with you? How many do? Mine didn't, and at any rate I wasn't all that influenced by music but if someone sat ne down and talked to me about the shyt I listened to while I hung out and how it subconsciously okay'd my actions, maybe i go down a different path. Who knows...

The conversations about hip hop have to be like the conversations about black folk being stopped by police. Some of yall may think that's radical and that's fine, this isnt a consensus viewpoint so most people at this time aren't gonna accept this. My walk just colored me differently, and especially when you know that a number of guys pushing the images weren't active to the degree they talk about, why should I be okay with them selling it to impressionable youth? Why should I accept the active ones selling it to impressionable youth? Why is it okay?

I still listen to certain music I came up on, may check out newer artists with unique talent (like Lil Baby) from time to time, but for the most part I'm not with the glorification of these images anymore. And I'm also a consenting adult who knows how to separate what I hear from how I act and how I look at black people around me. But I have an obligation to teach my daughters so they don't perpetuate the shyt, and I feel a calling to educate the younger generation after me that are prone to the same mistakes I made...

 

[fifth column]

The problem is that the lines are now blurred between art and real life and impressionable young black kids cant tell the difference. The art of hip hop has a larger influence in our youth than movies do, that's a fact and everyone knows it. These messages are fed to our kids and they have become normalized...

My suggestion is that these hundreds, thousands of black artists in the genre STOP, or DE-ESCALATE, the frequency with which they project glorification of drugs and violence.

Let's not act like you cant talk about other things, because I can give a long line of examples from Nelly to LL to whoever who don't project these images in their music. The industry heads will push back (because its white owned and black men as violent piccaninnies is an age old American Way), but if more of our artists stood their ground on what they want to sell consumers, eventually the industry will flip to what is sold...

These white rappers are successful without overwhelmingly selling violence, why is that? And why is our genre the only one that has, let's call it what it is, our genre is the only one with mass murders? Not country, not pop, not rock, not gospel, not EDM, no one else has these mass violence issues. Because I'm not saying you cant talk about some of this stuff at all, but let's keep it a bean: when people think of hip hop, the image in the minds eye is glorification of materialism, violence, and drugs...

Stereotypes that America preyed on us before hip hop, and we cultivated the most popular genre in the world and allow them to perpetuate these stereotypes further with our willful inclusion...

Cats gotta stop acting like there's no other way, like we have to do hip hop the way it is, that's a cop out. For me and my part, I don't believe in censoring music or movies, etc, because life ain't gonna bleep out curses and derogatory language when they out at the store, parked at a stoplight, have an angry teacher in school, etc. Life ain't gonna bleep out that they WILL know people who are sexually abused, people who commit crimes, people who are racist, etc...

I have two daughters. When they get old enough to feel what I listen to, and then choose their own music and such, my job and objective is to tell them that the music/movies whatever else are art sold for entertainment, to explain to them the harm that some of these images perpetuate on black people, and to understand the harm they inflict on us as a people if they carry themselves with certain behaviors publicly. So let's be honest, did your parents or guardians have that conversation with you? How many do? Mine didn't, and at any rate I wasn't all that influenced by music but if someone sat ne down and talked to me about the shyt I listened to while I hung out and how it subconsciously okay'd my actions, maybe i go down a different path. Who knows...

The conversations about hip hop have to be like the conversations about black folk being stopped by police. Some of yall may think that's radical and that's fine, this isnt a consensus viewpoint so most people at this time aren't gonna accept this. My walk just colored me differently, and especially when you know that a number of guys pushing the images weren't active to the degree they talk about, why should I be okay with them selling it to impressionable youth? Why should I accept the active ones selling it to impressionable youth? Why is it okay?

I still listen to certain music I came up on, may check out newer artists with unique talent (like Lil Baby) from time to time, but for the most part I'm not with the glorification of these images anymore. And I'm also a consenting adult who knows how to separate what I hear from how I act and how I look at black people around me. But I have an obligation to teach my daughters so they don't perpetuate the shyt, and I feel a calling to educate the younger generation after me that are prone to the same mistakes I made...

Good for you. No subject matter is off limits when it comes to art form expression. Music is about feel. Want to know what’s really going on? Here you go...The environment that a person is in/around is the number one predictor of what happens to them and how they subsequently act. Want to know what influences young people? Their peers and community. Hip hop has a lot of genres so it’s your choice what you listen to. Don’t blame the music cause that’s lazy talk.

 

[staticshock]

Rip to pop smoke but I gotta ask why are y’all so mad at the alleged killer when y’all glorify that shyt?

he was exactly who these rappers portray themselves to be. Y’all don’t be mad when smoke and other rappers talk about robbing and killing someone but when a real street nikka does it, it’s “throw him in jail for life” & shyt.

y’all listen to gangsta shyt all day and be mad when some gangsta shyt actually happens