5 people arrested in connection to Pop Smoke's murder. UPDATE: 2 CHARGED with murder.

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staticshock said:
Rip to pop smoke but I gotta ask why are y’all so mad at the alleged killer when y’all glorify that shyt?

he was exactly who these rappers portray themselves to be. Y’all don’t be mad when smoke and other rappers talk about robbing and killing someone but when a real street nikka does it, it’s “throw him in jail for life” & shyt.

y’all listen to gangsta shyt all day and be mad when some gangsta shyt actually happens :unimpressed:
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I'm curious to see if anyone will respond to this.
 
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murksiderock said:
The problem is that the lines are now blurred between art and real life and impressionable young black kids cant tell the difference. The art of hip hop has a larger influence in our youth than movies do, that's a fact and everyone knows it. These messages are fed to our kids and they have become normalized...

My suggestion is that these hundreds, thousands of black artists in the genre STOP, or DE-ESCALATE, the frequency with which they project glorification of drugs and violence.

Let's not act like you cant talk about other things, because I can give a long line of examples from Nelly to LL to whoever who don't project these images in their music. The industry heads will push back (because its white owned and black men as violent piccaninnies is an age old American Way), but if more of our artists stood their ground on what they want to sell consumers, eventually the industry will flip to what is sold...

These white rappers are successful without overwhelmingly selling violence, why is that? And why is our genre the only one that has, let's call it what it is, our genre is the only one with mass murders? Not country, not pop, not rock, not gospel, not EDM, no one else has these mass violence issues. Because I'm not saying you cant talk about some of this stuff at all, but let's keep it a bean: when people think of hip hop, the image in the minds eye is glorification of materialism, violence, and drugs...

Stereotypes that America preyed on us before hip hop, and we cultivated the most popular genre in the world and allow them to perpetuate these stereotypes further with our willful inclusion...

Cats gotta stop acting like there's no other way, like we have to do hip hop the way it is, that's a cop out. For me and my part, I don't believe in censoring music or movies, etc, because life ain't gonna bleep out curses and derogatory language when they out at the store, parked at a stoplight, have an angry teacher in school, etc. Life ain't gonna bleep out that they WILL know people who are sexually abused, people who commit crimes, people who are racist, etc...

I have two daughters. When they get old enough to feel what I listen to, and then choose their own music and such, my job and objective is to tell them that the music/movies whatever else are art sold for entertainment, to explain to them the harm that some of these images perpetuate on black people, and to understand the harm they inflict on us as a people if they carry themselves with certain behaviors publicly. So let's be honest, did your parents or guardians have that conversation with you? How many do? Mine didn't, and at any rate I wasn't all that influenced by music but if someone sat ne down and talked to me about the shyt I listened to while I hung out and how it subconsciously okay'd my actions, maybe i go down a different path. Who knows...

The conversations about hip hop have to be like the conversations about black folk being stopped by police. Some of yall may think that's radical and that's fine, this isnt a consensus viewpoint so most people at this time aren't gonna accept this. My walk just colored me differently, and especially when you know that a number of guys pushing the images weren't active to the degree they talk about, why should I be okay with them selling it to impressionable youth? Why should I accept the active ones selling it to impressionable youth? Why is it okay?

I still listen to certain music I came up on, may check out newer artists with unique talent (like Lil Baby) from time to time, but for the most part I'm not with the glorification of these images anymore. And I'm also a consenting adult who knows how to separate what I hear from how I act and how I look at black people around me. But I have an obligation to teach my daughters so they don't perpetuate the shyt, and I feel a calling to educate the younger generation after me that are prone to the same mistakes I made...
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Really on point post from @murksiderock, I don't know if I could have articulated that as well, but that's essentially where I am too.

A lot of these new artists advocating for essentially sociopathic murder in the bars, the nihilism has gone over the top. There's no message or foundation to it. I see artists like Pop Smoke, and I like a track or two, but it's a hard listen, when lacks redemption and context. I hear local acts, and I may like a beat, or some bars, because it's local, but I the guns/drugs/blunts/pimping/gangs just isn't cool to me anymore, I see a bunch of lost people trafficking in pain and violence with exponential damage spreading.
 
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@murksiderock @re'up @fifth column
its all about perspective , people should be able to distinguish real life from art and just how things are generally

you choose who you listen to these days , you dont have to take in the industry
we listen to rap or hip hop cause it makes us feel great lets be honest, if the beat is banging do you really care what some of these people talk about , you can be "woke" and still listen to what you want, educate the youth , yes but they will probably understand a lil bit faster than some of us oldr brehs

yeah the frequency is high for demonic shyt in rap , if you know how things really are than this shouldn't be a surprise , you can always tune out and listen to some jazz, if you want to stay in that type of frequency tho

pop smoke was a product of his environment tho , the very first video on his you tube is him beating up that dude in the store, that was his image he wanted to put out there , a lot of rappers right now have ties to the streets still , at this poiint this is just what rap is sex money violence power disrespect , its like being mad at meat eaters and the selling of dead animals, it makes money , same with sex money violence power disrespect, the more you know the less of a problem it is cause the world dun fuked up already lol
 
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murksiderock said:
My suggestion is that these hundreds, thousands of black artists in the genre STOP, or DE-ESCALATE, the frequency with which they project glorification of drugs and violence.
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That's never going to happen.

Most of these new rappers are using using the music as a way to profit. They're not in it for the art or anything else. As long as the fans are there supporting them there's no incentive to do what you're suggesting.
 
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staticshock said:
Rip to pop smoke but I gotta ask why are y’all so mad at the alleged killer when y’all glorify that shyt?

he was exactly who these rappers portray themselves to be. Y’all don’t be mad when smoke and other rappers talk about robbing and killing someone but when a real street nikka does it, it’s “throw him in jail for life” & shyt.

y’all listen to gangsta shyt all day and be mad when some gangsta shyt actually happens :unimpressed:
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I agree with your post but to add a different perspective.


Despite the facade people can separate the person from the art form. People knew he clearly wasn't no tough guy killer.

RIP either way.
 
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staticshock said:
another poster argued with me on this very topic yesterday. They refuse to believe music is more easily accessible than movies or games, and it’s more influential.
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Music is influential to a certain extent but your environment is the ultimate influencer. Music is not why dudes run out and kill, it’s the environment that breeds and inform them. A good example is gangs. A young dude is 99.9% more likely to join a gang if he lives around it than some rapper telling him gang gang in a song. Same applies to Pop Smoke, dudes in a fukked up mind state caused by their environment decide to get him. We see the same thing happen to pro athletes from time to time.
 
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