50 Cent Responds To Jim Jones’ Claims That Dipset “Started The Mixtape Movement" | "He's Lying 🤣🤣🤣

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Re: 2002

-Simple math, Dip vol 1 dropped before 50 cent is the future

-The confusion comes when people just say “2002”. 12 months at that time was an eternity. Early 2002 was all dip set. 50 came late 2002

-Look at the names of those mixtapes . Dip set…vs 50 cent.

G unit was nowhere close to being bigger than dip set bc they weren’t even marketed like that until AFTER 50 blew. Whereas when cam blew he marketed it as dip set.

-Ie, Hey Ma- ft Juelz (with Freekey in the video), Oh Boy Jim steals the show in the video. NY city- Juelz on the hook. W/ 50, Many men, back down, 21 questions, in the club , Wanksta. No g unit

So comparing Dipset to G unit is revisionist. Dip set ran 2002. 50 bubbled with wanksta in 2002, but In the club didnt drop til the very end of 2002/early 2003. G unit as a group benefited later in 2003. Different time frames
 
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They're both wrong.

Hip Hop memory is really short.

It was Clue. He had songs like M-E-T-H-O-D M-A-N, Live nikka Rap, and fukking JUICY on mixtapes before their official release.

He was hired by Irv Gotti to help break an unknown Jay's Ain't No nikka in the clubs. He was also hired to put out the first official Bad Boy mixtape. They let him pick two songs from Life After Death to showcase it. As a result, he had Mo Money Mo Problems and Hypnotize out before anyone.

He helped build DMX's buzz before his first album completely reset the game as we knew it when he was still an unknown. He was able to get a rare Nas song between the 96-98 break to record between It Was Written and I Am...

He was also the person that put on both Fabolous and Joe Budden.

Thats not counting all the classic cuts. Fantastic 4, anyone?

There's a reason Jay and Dame signed a fukking mixtape DJ to the Roc.
 

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They're both wrong.

Hip Hop memory is really short.

It was Clue. He had songs like M-E-T-H-O-D M-A-N, Live nikka Rap, and fukking JUICY on mixtapes before their official release.

He was hired by Irv Gotti to help break an unknown Jay's Ain't No nikka in the clubs. He was also hired to put out the first official Bad Boy mixtape. They let him pick two songs from Life After Death to showcase it. As a result, he had Mo Money Mo Problems and Hypnotize out before anyone.

He helped build DMX's buzz before his first album completely reset the game as we knew it when he was still an unknown. He was able to get a rare Nas song between the 96-98 break to record between It Was Written and I Am...

He was also the person that put on both Fabolous and Joe Budden.

Thats not counting all the classic cuts. Fantastic 4, anyone?

There's a reason Jay and Dame signed a fukking mixtape DJ to the Roc.

We’re talking about artist led mixtapes. Indy, solo. It absolutely is either dip set or lox
 

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LOX had LOX Family Vol 1 around '97

This right here.

Hip Hop gets wild with all this revisionist history.

yes the correct answer here is Bad Boy

those S&S and Doowop tapes were team joints

then next up was the Dj self Lox Family

if we moving on technicalities then the answer is MOBSTYLE as they has a mixtape album in the early 90s

*edit* forgot about cormega in 97 too

1. mobstyle 92
2. bad boy 95 (s&s, doowop, clue, stretch armstrong)
3. lox family 97 ( dj self
4. cormega 97
5. g-unit 2000 (dj whookid
6. dipset 2000 (kayslay
 
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To be honest 500 degrees was considered a flop and I don’t remember it getting play at all.

And I remember vividly how the first Carter was really the album people started hopping on and saying Wayne was Wayne

First album, yes, but he had some buzz with the suad up mixtapes in the months before carter 1
 

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Re: Sqad Up

‘Nobody listened to Wayne’ is hyperbole but it is probably more accurate than people think

500 Degreez dropped in July 2002 i don’t remember it at all. It wasnt moving needles. We were still in the east coast era Roc, SP, dip, etc

The Carter is what shifted things to Wayne, his shift from kid rapper to grown man. That didnt drop til 2004. So there’s a 2 year gap, 2 years is an eternity. So in that in between time Wayne was nowhere near where he’d end up being. He was kinda underground

Also at that time he was still a ‘southern rapper’ in our eyes. Wayne didn’t take off til he started rapping more east coast (influenced by Jay, dip set, and yes Gillie) and on east coast beats. That was on Carter 2, as evident by it opening to a heatmakers beat.

But back to Sqad up, yea he was spittin but it was just the origin of people seeig him as a rapper, it was Indy. It wasnt as influential as dips and later g unit were
 

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G-Unit made mixtapes more widespread and popular, but it started to bubble with DJ Kayslay & DJ Clue.
 

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Mixtapes in the 90s was rappers freestyling over other rappers instrumentals. What 50 and Jim is referring to is they were the first artist to release mixtapes in song formats and distribute it to the public. I’m not sure who was first but 50 and GUnit was must haves as well as The Lox. Dipset reminded me sooo much of Wutang how you had the 4 members members but then you had like Byrd Gang, Jr Writer, 40 Cal, Max B etc. I’m giving the crown to Gunit though
 
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fukk all this nonsense.
Forget Dipset. Forget G-Unit.

50 started the mixtape movement.

The rest is bullshyt.
 
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