50 Killed by White Supremacist Mass Shooting at Christchurch Mosque in New Zealand

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If you understand she was wrong about Omar's stance, then you're admitting that she stood with those who were singularly motivated by Islamophobia.

I stopped reading here because of how insane this claim is.

The logic of your reasoning means that if some madman goes out and guns down the Clinton family tomorrow, you should be held responsible by suggesting here that the Clinton's frequently align themselves with bigots and therefore deserve it.

It would be like saying, if some nut shot up a synagogue, that Omar's tweets stoked anti-semetic views and motivated the shooter to kill jewish people. Would you feel the same way if that was the accusation?

Irrespective of Chelsea's stance on Omar's words, she in no way endorses islamaphobia, and certainly wouldn't condone the slaughter of innocent Muslims at a mosque. And the fact that people like you want to blame well-meaning liberals when the real problem is the Richard Spencers of the world is vile and disgusting.
 
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How is it that Trump sends his "thougths and prayers" and then goes right back to the same ole rhetoric that influenced the shooter? He flat out doesn't give a shyt. Which we all knew, but he was using the same exact language as the shooter and folk are just chilling. I just don't get it.
said this same shyt to my brother.
this shyt is just pure insanity all across the board.
 

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The discussions about WS are also obscured by secondary arguments about whether their manifestos should be mentioned, showing his face etc. You don't see similar types of debates about Muslim terrorists at all. It helps feed into the lone wolf narrative which just divorces the shooter from the larger ideology. I have seen replies on Wapo twitter account where people are more concerned about the paper showing Tarrant doing a white power symbol than anything else. The message of Breitbart and others is not only contained in the US, political consultants and billionaires from this country also spread their message far and wide. There is a documentary on Don Brash a NZ politician who frequently talked to the American right and helped him frame his right wing messages for his domestic audience.The themes are the same , talk about family and say minorities have more rights than others and so on.
 

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The discussions about WS are also obscured by secondary arguments about whether their manifestos should be mentioned, showing his face etc. You don't see similar types of debates about Muslim terrorists at all. It helps feed into the lone wolf narrative which just divorces the shooter from the larger ideology. I have seen replies on Wapo twitter account where people are more concerned about the paper showing Tarrant doing a white power symbol than anything else. The message of Breitbart and others is not only contained in the US, political consultants and billionaires from this country also spread their message far and wide. There is a documentary on Don Brash a NZ politician who frequently talked to the American right and helped him frame his right wing messages for his domestic audience.The themes are the same , talk about family and say minorities have more rights than others and so on.
whats the name of the documentary?
 

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I'm going to sit on this theory right now, but I really believe the emotion seen by PM of New Zealand is 60% regret and 40% genuine sadness.

You're going to see a ramp up against white supremacist in that country that could've been taken prior to the attack - and it's my personal belief that she knows it.

I don't know what sources I can follow/read who would be considered experts on NZ politics though.
 

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I'm going to sit on this theory right now, but I really believe the emotion seen by PM of New Zealand is 60% regret and 40% genuine sadness.

You're going to see a ramp up against white supremacist in that country that could've been taken prior to the attack - and it's my personal belief that she knows it.

I don't know what sources I can follow/read who would be considered experts on NZ politics though.

My novice reading is:

The Prime Minister is very popular. Before the 2017 elections when she was named leader of Labour Party, she was climbing up the popularity polls before the elections. The National Party (center right) won the popular vote and most seats but couldn't create a government. So she got the opportunity and did it with Greens and the centrist NZ First (populist center) who were the kingmakers and didn't want another government with the National Party.

She can't be too ambitious unless she has buy-in from NZ First.

If there was an election right now, Labour would gain 15 seats and could form a government with just them and the Greens based on polling from before this terrorist attack.
 

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My novice reading is:

The Prime Minister is very popular. Before the 2017 elections when she was named leader of Labour Party, she was climbing up the popularity polls before the elections. The National Party (center right) won the popular vote and most seats but couldn't create a government. So she got the opportunity and did it with Greens and the centrist NZ First (populist center) who were the kingmakers and didn't want another government with the National Party.

She can't be too ambitious unless she has buy-in from NZ First.

If there was an election right now, Labour would gain 15 seats and could form a government with just them and the Greens based on polling from before this terrorist attack.
Right that's kind of what I'm leaning into. There's a lot of "omg what strength" when the real question should be "what did the NZ government fail to do to prevent these attacks." Cause I know AU has been having a hard time with racist. There's a lot of focus on that NZ senator saying stupid shyt, but he's just saying the quiet part out loud. He was VOTED in. He didn't assume power.

With that being said, I hope nobody reads my posts and thinks I'm shytting on the PM. I just tend to focus on the system.
 

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I'm going to sit on this theory right now, but I really believe the emotion seen by PM of New Zealand is 60% regret and 40% genuine sadness.

You're going to see a ramp up against white supremacist in that country that could've been taken prior to the attack - and it's my personal belief that she knows it.

I don't know what sources I can follow/read who would be considered experts on NZ politics though
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@monsterpreneur might know she lived there for a bit....

@Darth Humanist @Solomon Caine possibly might have some insight.
 

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Right that's kind of what I'm leaning into. There's a lot of "omg what strength" when the real question should be "what did the NZ government fail to do to prevent these attacks." Cause I know AU has been having a hard time with racist. There's a lot of focus on that NZ senator saying stupid shyt, but he's just saying the quiet part out loud. He was VOTED in. He didn't assume power.

With that being said, I hope nobody reads my posts and thinks I'm shytting on the PM. I just tend to focus on the system.
wasn't that an AU senator?
 
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