538: Black voters are so loyal their issues get ignored

[Booker T Garvey]

Why the hell did you respond to my post with this? This has nothing to do with what I said at all.

I didn't say that the Republicans would "lie". They don't even want to be perceived as catering to the black vote. They have too big a core constituency which is overtly against that to risk it.


Why is Donald Trump Jr. making a campaign appearance at the Neshoba County Fair?

Why is Donald Trump retweeting 100+ messages from White Supremacists, including blatantly false lies about White victims of Black murderers?

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because you said "don't think you're gonna get anything from the republicans!" (go look, that's what you said verbatim)

then you threw out anecdotal and emotional evidence to support your argument. they're supported by racists and donald trump retweets white supremacists

1) white supremacists and racists have ALWAYS supported republicans, this is not new.
2) Donald Trump retweeting white nationalists? fine then don't vote for him. this post doesn't have a damned thing to do w/donald trump

this article and discussion is about the fact that our 60+ year blind loyalty to the democratic party has not benefited us in decades and it's time to look at alternatives.

if u don't agree then say you don't agree, but miss me w/all these emotions.

and 2 things to crush your argument real quick:

- I know a lot of black people that flat out are against, or simply aren't on board with the gay/transgendered agenda and democrats the DNC openly support and retweet their activists all the time.

- If the DNC or a democratic presidential candidate retweeted Dr Umar or Tariq Nasheed - there'd be outrage from the RIGHT as well. but are Umar and Tariq a real THREAT to anyone? I know white nationalist terrify you as a grown ass man, but relax bruh, it's just free speech they ain't popping shyt

 

[JahFocus CS]

Vote for racists because you hate sexual minorities, brehs and brehettes

 

[Professor Emeritus]

because you said "don't think you're gonna get anything from the republicans!" (go look, that's what you said verbatim)

then you threw out anecdotal and emotional evidence to support your argument. they're supported by racists and donald trump retweets white supremacists

1) white supremacists and racists have ALWAYS supported republicans, this is not new.
2) Donald Trump retweeting white nationalists? fine then don't vote for him. this post doesn't have a damned thing to do w/donald trump

this article and discussion is about the fact that our 60+ year blind loyalty to the democratic party has not benefited us in decades and it's time to look at alternatives.

if u don't agree then say you don't agree, but miss me w/all these emotions.

Where do you get "emotional evidence" and "anecdotal" and "all these emotions" out of my comments?


I'm thinking that either you can't distinguish between "anecdote" and "logic", or you're accidentally responding to the wrong person.


Here's the first comment you replied to:

People act like the Republican Party would start fighting for the Black vote if it got 12% of it. Do you really believe that 12% of 12% of the population is enough to make the Republican Party start actively alienating the anti-Black contingent in its base? Even 10% of 70% is a lot bigger than 12% of 12%. Assuming 10% of White Americans (and therefore ~20% of the Republican Party) are so intolerant of Black people that they would not tolerate their party making substantial overtures to Black America...and that 10% of the White voting population is going to be bigger than anything but a MAJORITY of the Black population.

Do you think the Republicans will ever believe they can capture a majority of the Black population, and will risk all their anti-Black voters to do it?

The only solution, as others have pointed out here, is to refuse to vote for the Democratic Party, or to form a third party. Those are the only two places where the leadership will substantially cater to Black interests...but in the Democratic Party, it will ONLY happen if they really start losing the Black vote, and can't just assume it.

Refuse to vote for the Democrats, yes. But don't think you're going to get anything from the Republicans unless some massive social event changes the entire nature of American politics.

That entire argument is purely based on the math. There's no "emotional" appeal there.


Then here's the second comment:

You apparently don't understand Southern politics. There are a lot of racist Whites who are willing to vote for Southern Democrats, though that number is shrinking every year, especially with Obama's election.

And how are the Republicans going to make a trade before they know what they can win? You think they'll give up the racist Whites that they already have, for a smaller share of Black voters which they "hope" to get?


Your weird assumption here is that Romney could have courted the Black vote while losing NONE of the White vote. Do you really think that's possible?

If Romney made the enormous changes in message he would have needed to make to get 17% of the Black vote, how much of the racist and/or ultra-conservative White vote would he have lost?

Even if it was only 5%, he would have to add another 25% of the Black vote to make up for losing 5% of the White vote....so now he's up to needing 42% of the Black vote.

But then if he makes the message changes necessary to win 42% of the Black vote....how much more of the White vote is he going to lose?

You see the problem here?


Why the hell did you respond to my post with this? This has nothing to do with what I said at all.

I didn't say that the Republicans would "lie". They don't even want to be perceived as catering to the black vote. They have too big a core constituency which is overtly against that to risk it.


Why is Donald Trump Jr. making a campaign appearance at the Neshoba County Fair?

Why is Donald Trump retweeting 100+ messages from White Supremacists, including blatantly false lies about White victims of Black murderers?

Keven Phillips, strategist for Richard Nixon:

From Wikipedia's article on the Southern Strategy:

Interview with Lee Atwater, long-time Republican stategist, in the 1980s:


The Republicans don't want the Black vote unless they can get it without doing anything to risk their share of the racist White vote. If you want to play the fool and give them your vote while they keep courting the White supremacists and laughing at you, go ahead.


This is a really good point. I'm not a stan for the Democrats, but it's worth pointing out the complete disconnect that the Republican base and leadership have with the Black community.


There's an option beyond "vote for the Republicans" and "sure Democratic voter".


It's called, "Withhold your vote or vote 3rd party". That's what I'm doing this year.

The Democrats still suffer, they still have to try to win the Black vote back because it's too important to their overall numbers....and you're not inexplicably stanning for the party appealing to overt racists in the process.

Again, the entire thing is laying out the math, explaining the Republican logic over the last 50 years (using their own words), and then explaining what we can do in response.

You've got to be one of those projecting fools, I assume. This threads got you all in your emotions and that's the only lens you can see through now.

I know white nationalist terrify you as a grown ass man, but relax bruh, it's just free speech they ain't popping shyt

I'm the one calling White Nationalists out, you're the one caping for them, and you think I'm scared?

 

[Booker T Garvey]

Where do you get "emotional evidence" and "anecdotal" and "all these emotions" out of my comments?

I'm the one calling White Nationalists out, you're the one caping for them, and you think I'm scared?

1) "don't think you're gonna get anything from republicans!" is an anecdotal argument:
an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

you can't say for certain what republicans will or won't do for us because we don't know. the only point of reference for this statement is your fear and hatred for republicans. republicans will ALWAYS have an anti-minority base, if that bothers you then don't vote for them

but those racists have absolutely NOTHING to do with you and what you want from them politically or economically. just like anti-gay agenda black folks don't affect the gay community yet both of them vote democrat.

2) please explain to me how pointing out that white nationalists on twitter are just talking shyt but ain't about to run up on lamarcus or andre any time soon, is "caping" for them?

hate them and their rhetoric? fine. but be afraid of em? nah bruh. stop it. man your ass up.

 

[soulfuljah]

Bloods v. Crips is the wrong way to look at this. The Ds are are interest group. They need our support. We give it to them lockstep. Since they have our support no matter how little the deliver, they know they don't have to work for us. They own us. If they had to work for our support then we could get more out of them. If we held them to their promises then we all win. They continue to get reelected and our people benefit from their increased work-rate and the successes resulting from their kept promises. This isn't brain surgery folks.

The more things change.........

 

[Professor Emeritus]

1) "don't think you're gonna get anything from republicans!" is an anecdotal argument:
an·ec·do·tal
ˌanəkˈdōdl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.

That statement isn't even an argument, much less an "anecdotal argument". It's a conclusion.

Everything that came before that was a logical, fact-based argument. And you still haven't shown where that argument was based in emotions. Please show this to someone you trust who understands logic and have them explain it to you.

The rest of your spiel literally has nothing to do with what I posted at all.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The question, which I'm not at all being facetious or sarcastic in asking, is whether or not black people can work with white supremacists to further our political agenda. I think it's possible if we are shrewd and focus on common issues, which center around economics. shyt like police brutality is stuff we cannot run to those same white supremacists to fix. But ultimately crony capitalists are the common enemy. Once they are put in check race squabbles won't matter- just as they never do when people have money in their pocket and a positive outlook on the future