JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
Maybe you should read some other stuff on BAR too to snap you out of your right-wing bullshyt
538: Black voters are so loyal their issues get ignored
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Maybe you should read some other stuff on BAR too to snap you out of your right-wing bullshyt
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
We need to be building either a nationalist party or a left alternative. Accepting the choice between terrible (Democrats) and the worst (Republicans) is not a formula for success or liberation.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
no im saying we need to get money so that we can control "klan supporters and segregationists" in both political parties
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
i never said anything about black legislators, i thought we were talking about the democratic party
i never said anything about switching, i said black people should should be neutral and split their vote
i agree and i already mentioned that white liberals are more sympathetic to black people, i disagree that that means we should vote for them, im disputing the notion that our criteria and framing of politics should be based on who is less outwardly racist, our framing should be based on power, money and domination
And that is more likely to happen by voting for leftist candidates. Republicans push forward policies that explicitly work against such interests.
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
money and power has nothing to do with who we vote for, it has everything to do with how we think and how we organize ourselves
we need to change the way we think and the way we look at the world
JahFocus CS
Get It How You Get It
What leftist candidates?
theworldismine13
God Emperor of SOHH
Of course it has to do with who we vote for. You've been spewing this stuff forever, but it's all talk with nothing concrete. Economic success is not just a matter of thinking "let's get money." You need to have the opportunities and the expertise. If who you vote for has nothing to do with money then billionaires would not be spending so much time trying to effect elections.
Wait, so that isn't the motto of Bill Clinton and the New Democrats
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
This is a chicken-egg situation, but I honestly don't believe Republican politicians are promoting these anti-black policies due to some guttural hatred of black people, I think they're doing it because it's politically feasible. They know that no matter what they do, they'll never get a meaningful portion of the black vote, so they don't even try. We saw it in the Democratic Primary and we're seeing it in the general. The black vote is unyieldingly tied to the Democratic establishment. There is next to nothing a Democratic establishment politician could do that would stop the black community from supporting them. Bill Clinton eviscerated welfare, signed into law the modern Jim Crow, fukked over the black community economically with NAFTA, and is still treated like a God in the black community
I think that if tomorrow the black vote was totally in play, you'd see both parties scrambling to promote pro-black policies. These people aren't ideologues, they're craven politicians. They don't give a shyt about Jewish people or Israel, they care about their Zionist donors so they can stay in office and profit off the gravy train. You don't become a politician (Republican or Democrat) because you want to help people.
NERO
All Star
This may all be true but voting lockstep D is not smart. If they are taking our vote for granted then we are essentially just along for the ride. Do you respect someone who is totally dependant and is unable to survive without support from a stable figure? We call people like that children. Right now lockstep D voters are just children on the D school bus being taken wherever the driver wants to go. They might turn on the AC or radio if enough of us complain about the temperature or the station but they have no interest in changing course. Some token black people in the party structure doesn't really change what the money masters who are funding down ticket campaigns want to do. The platform !=the reality of what the party wants to let alone can actually get done. All progress comes through struggle and most lasting changes are incremental so I would prefer to see more third party participation of black people as well as more republican participation because I believe it is HEALTHY to have a plethora of options AND to keep the money guys behind D leadership on their toes.
This is true. Black voters are so loyal to Democrats that there's not much incentive for the party to care about our issues.
But I do think this article is going out of it's way to ignore the reasons why when black voters vote the way they do when it's for mostly rational reasons. The GOP is literally the party of white resentment and is antagonistic towards minorities and blacks in particular. Hell, go on any right-leaning message board and half the threads are bashing black people. Republican politicians literally bash black people to get more support from white voters.
So most black people are just going to default to the other party simply because most self-respecting people won't want to vote for a party that's antagonistic towards them.
You can't just criticize black people for voting as they do without looking at why and ignoring the GOPs role. We're caught between a rock and a hard place.
But I do think this article is going out of it's way to ignore the reasons why when black voters vote the way they do when it's for mostly rational reasons. The GOP is literally the party of white resentment and is antagonistic towards minorities and blacks in particular. Hell, go on any right-leaning message board and half the threads are bashing black people. Republican politicians literally bash black people to get more support from white voters.
So most black people are just going to default to the other party simply because most self-respecting people won't want to vote for a party that's antagonistic towards them.
You can't just criticize black people for voting as they do without looking at why and ignoring the GOPs role. We're caught between a rock and a hard place.
The Republican coalition holds without black voters as long as other minorities voted for them. They only need a small percentage of black votes to counterbalance their demographic weakness. All the talk about captured vote ignores that in a two party system people vote for a party and also against another party as well. Those Dixiecrats the Republicans have gone out of the way to court won't stand for a party that is identified with minorities in general and African Americans in particular which the article itself states. The Jewish vote can be swayed by other issues outside of Israel, Obama and Netanyahu dont get along and the way the GOP goes hard for Israel the return in terms of votes is quite pathetic. Like the article states, Republicans ignore calls made by black interest groups to address them , they also started doing that to Hispanic media. While the Republicans can highlight Chicago crime and inner city poverty in the context of bashing Democrats, they won't touch other issues such as discrimination in the labor market, redlining and other issues that shatter their narrative of racism not being a significant problem. The moment they seriously start going for black votes they know they will lose a bunch of voters in the South.
The people running the Republican party dont even give a fukk about the most middle classs and lower white people. fukk would they give a shyt about about our vote.
Down here in Kansas Rep have been raping this state openly and it doesnt benefit anyone but the upper class. But the majority here keep voting for them and then complain about the same shyt again.
And no im not endorsing the dem party
Down here in Kansas Rep have been raping this state openly and it doesnt benefit anyone but the upper class. But the majority here keep voting for them and then complain about the same shyt again.
And no im not endorsing the dem party