60 out 75 Northwestern players voted NO on Union

[Mr swag]

Remember the coach was pushing them to say no? Bet he made threats

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm tempted to agree with you but if this was a school in a state that's not union friendly, they'd get fried. Or if it was a school with a bad rep or predominantly black players...I'd love to see the reaction if this were the Grambling players who refused to play because of the God awful conditions at their school. The reaction would have been extremely over the top and none of those kids, just as the Northwestern ones, have a chance at making it to the pros

I'm trying to think of a BIG school that would vote YES for a union and I'm having a hard time. Maybe UCONN because of Shabazz and the sanctions the last few years. Sure kids want to get paid but I'm not sure if Unions are they way to get there. I don't think any school in the SEC would vote YES. The South hates unions, that's why car companies like Kia, BMW, VW are building giant plants in the South. I don't think schools like UNC or Duke would vote YES either. I don't know

 

[Shogun]

What are the tax implications that would make banking less desirable than not getting paid?

I dont know. I just remember them talking about that shyt on the radio

 

[calh45]

I got you when I leave work...he basically brought up the fact that players would have to opt in or purchase their own insurance, could be fired, etc...if they were to be considered employees of the university

I'm glad they got slapped in the face by reality. Being an employee is DRASTICALLY different than a student which is how they're treated now. Emmert was on Dan Patrick saying the same shyt, but Dan kept plugging his ears and pushing paying them.

the current situation ain't perfect, but unions ain't the way to go. athletes in the big 2 NCAA sports shouldn't listen to the general public and radio jocks for direction. It's all too complex for a simple fix.

 

[mastermind]

I got you when I leave work...he basically brought up the fact that players would have to opt in or purchase their own insurance, could be fired, etc...if they were to be considered employees of the university

Players get fired now. Happens every offseason, if anything a union would prevent those "firings" that take place after a season.

The insurance stuff is a real point but schools aren't taking care of players now when they get catastrophic injuries unless media catches wind of the injury.

I'm not saying a union is the right way to go, but I'm not supporting that viewpoint. JT is a venture capitalist too.

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Why would the upperclassmen care? They wouldn't be around to see the rewards or benefits. Student Athletes are there 4 or 5 years tops and the ones that generate revenue are there less. What do they think they gonna get, a pension? Guaranteed job placement?

 

[MustafaSTL]

I think the way Northwestern was going about this was borderline coercion or threats in violation of existing labor law. The coach being that involved was ridiculous. He should not have been allowed to say anything given the special relationship between players and coaches. Only Northwestern representatives should have been allowed to say anything. He should have had no say whatsoever.

I was trying to learn more about labor law, but the class offered next year is on a Friday morning. I ain't trying to take any Friday classes.

But it is kind of interesting considering the relationship with a college coach and his team, and the fact that the coach is an employee of the university. Northwestern players got debo'd.

 

[Shogun]

What are the tax implications that would make banking less desirable than not getting paid?

Looked it up...their scholarships would count as income, and be taxed....I think.

 

[MikelArteta]

:smugmarkemmerett:

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Link?

http://traffic.libsyn.com/lebatard/Lebatard_4-23-14-_Part_3.mp3
36:00 mark

 

[R.E.N. Spells Ren]

Looked it up...their scholarships would count as income, and be taxed....I think.

I don't see why it would be taxed if it MUST be used on education. As a a recipient of many scholarships/fellowships and having received stipends on to of that compensation, I've never had the tuition & fees included in my 'income'....but I'm no tax
expert.


Regardless, this wouldn't scare me as an athlete, the compensation would just have to be great enough to outweigh the tax hit.

 

[CrimsonTider]

As bad as the NCAA is, what people fail to understand is that if you sit down and look at the deal that college athletes have at the moment, it's better than being an employee.

Is it fair? I dunno, but from day one everyone who thought about it knew that union wasn't the way to go.

How in the hell is getting paid in education instead of money is better than employee?

I don't see why it would be taxed if it MUST be used on education. As a a recipient of many scholarships/fellowships and having received stipends on to of that compensation, I've never had the tuition & fees included in my 'income'....but I'm no tax
expert.


Regardless, this wouldn't scare me as an athlete, the compensation would just have to be great enough to outweigh the tax hit.

when they heard about the tax implications they were like

Only the part not used for education would be taxed. That's true now.

@Shogun

 

[Shogun]

How in the hell is getting paid in education instead of money is better than employee?







Only the part not used for education would be taxed. That's true now.

@Shogun

:hammertime:

 

[Lee_Land]

http://traffic.libsyn.com/lebatard/Lebatard_4-23-14-_Part_3.mp3
36:00 mark

 

[No1]

I got you when I leave work...he basically brought up the fact that players would have to opt in or purchase their own insurance, could be fired, etc...if they were to be considered employees of the university

None of this is true. Who is to say what would emerge from a collective bargaining agreement. Think about how hard it is to fire a teacher. No, union worth a damn would allow for a bargaining agreement in which athletes are essentially employees at-will instead of being fired "for cause." None of these things would "have" to happen. What university would deny health insurance to a star athlete that blew out their knee .