60 out 75 Northwestern players voted NO on Union

[Lucky_Lefty]

None of this is true. Who is to say what would emerge from a collective bargaining agreement. Think about how hard it is to fire a teacher. No, union worth a damn would allow for a bargaining agreement in which athletes are essentially employees at-will instead of being fired "for cause." None of these things would "have" to happen. What university would deny health insurance to a star athlete that blew out their knee .

No idea how this would play out but answer this for me....How would them unionizing play out in state with right to work statutes?

 

[No1]

No idea how this would play out but answer this for me....How would them unionizing play out in state with right to work statutes?

It would make it so that players have to opt-in to the union instead of automatically becoming part of the union as a designation of being an athlete there. People are much less likely to pay union dues, when the union or agency shop are not at least a temporary condition of employment. This serves the undermine the union's ability to have guaranteed money to rely on and to collect fees from individuals who want to work at a place but don't want to be a part of the union. Universities also would not have to participate in anyway to make sure the union automatically gets its fees from whatever is deposited to the students, etc. I don't really know how it would play with players, but I'd imagine players are part of the NFL player's union would advise them to pay their fees, etc., but you never know. My ideal scenario would be some type of relationship between the NFL player's union and an NCAA player's union. But that's very complicated and probably raises a bunch of other legal issues that I'm not een thinking about right now.

 

[Birdman]

How in the hell is getting paid in education instead of money is better than employee?







Only the part not used for education would be taxed. That's true now.

@Shogun

They do get paid, it's called a scholarship! Those classes, the food, the living quarters is paid for.
And oh by the way, employees are judged by their performance. There are at least 15 dudes out of 85 on every football team that are a net loss to the school based on their performance.
Those 15 dudes get to keep those benefits for 4 years no questions asked.

Try being a bum at your job and keep getting paid for 4 years

 

[CrimsonTider]

They do get paid, it's called a scholarship! Those classes, the food, the living quarters is paid for.
And oh by the way, employees are judged by their performance. There are at least 15 dudes out of 85 on every football team that are a net loss to the school based on their performance.
Those 15 dudes get to keep those benefits for 4 years no questions asked.

Try being a bum at your job and keep getting paid for 4 years

1st off. Scholarships are only for 1 year. Plenty of players lose them year in and year out.

The market value for NCAA div 1 player is an average of $178,000 (article was posted last week). How is a 40,000 (4 year) scholarship in anyway comparable.

Never mind all the systemic corruption with forcing kids into BS majors and other shyt.

 

[Birdman]

95% of players with eligibility return the following year. Yes the scholarships are 1year but everybody knows you're coming back unless you screw up. Plus when you lose your spot on the team, you don't lose your spot in the school so net net you still going for free and you don't need to get tackled.

I understand the market value argument, but what is the value of Jameis Winston vs. the backup kicker who's also on scholarship? Again, if you want to talk market value, how much income is the backup safety who's a senior with 12 career tackles and has been trained by professionals, fed by a nutritionist, taught by college professors generating?
If the same dude wanted to get all that on his own, how much would that cost him?

Nobody is making dudes choose schools that are gonna fukk u over. You can go to Stanford, ND, NW, and get a real major and be taken care of. When the same dude goes to Alabama and all of a sudden Saban tells him Because dude can't play don't go crying to people about what the NCAA is not giving you.

The same system gave you a chance, you chose...

Poorly.


Again, I'm not saying the system is fair but I'm saying, these dudes have options too

 

[Type Username Here]

Make them rich, cattle. Be nice little cattle.

I can't even imagine the strong arming behind the scenes. The coach was very public with his opinion.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

95% of players with eligibility return the following year. Yes the scholarships are 1year but everybody knows you're coming back unless you screw up. Plus when you lose your spot on the team, you don't lose your spot in the school so net net you still going for free and you don't need to get tackled.

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Not even. Has they to be brought up but remember Cal told those 5 guys his first yr at UK they either needed to transfer or they'd help them get financial aid? You don't get to go for free, esp CBB where scholarships are extremely limited. And even if they're allowed, they're extremely limited. Jameis is being exploited like shyt. I've said the same in our season thread. But most kickers aren't on scholly anyway. At least the first season and they only usually get one when someone gets booted off or there's a transfer

 

[mozichrome]

Coach Pat Fitzgerald, a former football star who is revered on campus, has framed a vote for the union as a personal betrayal.

"Understand that by voting to have a union, you would be transferring your trust from those you know - me, your coaches and the administrators here - to what you don't know - a third party who may or may not have the team's best interests in mind," Fitzgerald wrote to the team in an email.

"In my heart, I know that the downside of joining a union is much bigger than the upside," Fitzgerald wrote in the April 14 letter he emailed to his team. "You have nothing to gain by forming a union."

 

[CrimsonTider]

...

He protecting the business model that he profits off of.

 

[Type Username Here]

Coach Pat Fitzgerald, a former football star who is revered on campus, has framed a vote for the union as a personal betrayal.

"Understand that by voting to have a union, you would be transferring your trust from those you know - me, your coaches and the administrators here - to what you don't know - a third party who may or may not have the team's best interests in mind," Fitzgerald wrote to the team in an email.

"In my heart, I know that the downside of joining a union is much bigger than the upside," Fitzgerald wrote in the April 14 letter he emailed to his team. "You have nothing to gain by forming a union."

If you read about the labor movement in America, you will see variations of this exact argument over and over. It's just re-hashed under "sports mentality"



"You have nothing to gain by forming a union"

Except every little scrap the working class has. No child labor, weekends, 40 hour weeks, decent pay at times (it has been going the other way for the last 30 years), holidays, worker's benefits, worker's comp, social security



And that's just here in America. If you look at countries in Europe with even stronger unions that list is even better and larger

 

[dennis roadman]

I think the way Northwestern was going about this was borderline coercion or threats in violation of existing labor law. The coach being that involved was ridiculous. He should not have been allowed to say anything given the special relationship between players and coaches. Only Northwestern representatives should have been allowed to say anything. He should have had no say whatsoever.

middle management trying to influence unionization votes with public statements

pure bullshyt

 

[Type Username Here]

middle management trying to influence unionization votes with public statements

pure bullshyt

Pretty much the story of the last 150 years or so in terms of the working class.

 

[dennis roadman]

Pretty much the story of the last 150 years or so in terms of the working class.

the irony in this case is that their head coach and their so-called free education is supposed to be preparing them to make sound decisions as adults

 

[tremonthustler1]

Why would the upperclassmen care? They wouldn't be around to see the rewards or benefits. Student Athletes are there 4 or 5 years tops and the ones that generate revenue are there less. What do they think they gonna get, a pension? Guaranteed job placement?

you just pointed out why progress on issues like this don't move the way they used to. Nobody wants to be someone else's martyr.

 

[godkiller]

As bad as the NCAA is, what people fail to understand is that if you sit down and look at the deal that college athletes have at the moment, it's better than being an employee.

Is it fair? I dunno, but from day one everyone who thought about it knew that union wasn't the way to go.

No it isn't. Players could stand to make hundreds of thousands, maybe millions of dollars.