[9/28/22] AEW Dynamite

[Cattle Mutilation]

And all of that is... okay... IF Tony didn't have to bench Punk, Omega, and the Bucks. So again, Tony had a lot of new eyes on his product with people checking out wrasslin after Vince retired and then he got gifted the biggest IRL story in wrestling and he didn't put on shows that will make the non-AEW regular viewer want to stick around. An actual boss who wants to run his company like a business and not his own personal e-fed would've told Bryan, "You're the most credible guy I've got and we're in a bind. We're about to have a lot of new viewership and I need you to take the rock until we can steady the ship and then you can go back to goofing off when we're settled." Bryan would've done it.

And ya'll can say what you want about Yuta and Garcia getting reps to get better if Tony literally only had one show but he's not only putting them on his biggest show, he's giving them way more time than they deserve. Those reps can be done on Rampage or on the Youtube shows. Your biggest show during a time with the most new eyeballs you've gotten since Punk came back isn't the time or place to do anything but put out your absolute best wrasslers and storylines.

Whatever Tony's original plans were before Vince stepped down and the backstage catfight, he should've made better adjustments and he didn't.

This is the kind of short term thinking that has negatives consequences for the long term development of younger talent. You can't just keep pushing all your old talent at the expense of the younger talent to chase TV viewers. By doing that you're not building anything for the future and sacrificing developing long term viewers.

You’re seeing some of this backwards logic in WWE with the title situation. They pushed Roman into the stratosphere to get that short term story of some incredibly champ and now everyone in the whole damn company looks weak compared to him. Now you have a part time wrestler holding both belts with no one on the roster that could be credibly viewed as a threat to win a belt off him. What good has that accomplished long term?

 

[Larry]

In Garcia’s defense though, it’s not like they’re giving him a whole lot to work with. They got him out there trying to pass off heated arguments on whether he’s a pro wrestler or a sports entertainer in a serious tone. That in itself comes off pretty goofy and makes everything he’s saying impossible to take serious.


And I get it. It’s wrestling. A lot of stuff in this universe is pretty stupid and you kinda have to roll with it. With this tho, they play it like it’s serious thing which makes it kinda awkward


Outside of that, show was iight. Bandido had a good showing. I’m gonna need him to retire that stalling suplex though.

 

[Raw Sauce]

This is the kind of short term thinking that has negatives consequences for the long term development of younger talent. You can't just keep pushing all your old talent at the expense of the younger talent to chase TV viewers. By doing that you're not building anything for the future and sacrificing developing long term viewers.

You’re seeing some of this backwards logic in WWE with the title situation. They pushed Roman into the stratosphere to get that short term story of some incredibly champ and now everyone in the whole damn company looks weak compared to him. Now you have a part time wrestler holding both belts with no one on the roster that could be credibly viewed as a threat to win a belt off him. What good has that accomplished long term?

I think you're confusing developing talent with getting developed talent over. While you shouldn't develop talent on your prime time show, you do need to spend time to get your developed talent to get over. Yuta and Garcia are still developing.

The problem is they are getting more reps and are in more featured positions than people like Hobbs, Wardlow and Starks who could actually be stars for AEW.

Correct.

 

[Larry]

Based on the crowd reactions they didn’t die

Well it’s an AEW crowd. they’re never gonna die in front of them..


Homie could come out and say “I’m gonna sign yo pity on a runny kine! Sa daaa tay”

And get a standing ovation with this is awesome chants. Still comes off awkward on tv because the material isn’t the greatest

 

[Finn Baller]

This is the kind of short term thinking that has negatives consequences for the long term development of younger talent. You can't just keep pushing all your old talent at the expense of the younger talent to chase TV viewers. By doing that you're not building anything for the future and sacrificing developing long term viewers.

You’re seeing some of this backwards logic in WWE with the title situation. They pushed Roman into the stratosphere to get that short term story of some incredibly champ and now everyone in the whole damn company looks weak compared to him. Now you have a part time wrestler holding both belts with no one on the roster that could be credibly viewed as a threat to win a belt off him. What good has that accomplished long term?

They just did 2.5 million for Smackdown and are selling tons of tickets, it’s doing lots of good. They’ll get an even bigger TV contract because of it. In wrestling you ride the megastars as long as you can, it’s not as simple as just making another one. Nobody people say Cena should’ve lost to would’ve ever been at the level of Cena.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

Well it’s an AEW crowd. they’re never gonna die in front of them..


Homie could come out and say “I’m gonna sign yo pity on a runny kine! Sa daaa tay”

And get a standing ovation with this is awesome chants. Still comes off awkward on tv because the material isn’t the greatest

Did you not watch the Dynamite this week? That crowd completely died numerous times.

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

They just did 2.5 million for Smackdown and are selling tons of tickets, it’s doing lots of good. They’ll get an even bigger TV contract because of it. In wrestling you ride the megastars as long as you can, it’s not as simple as just making another one. Nobody people say Cena should’ve lost to would’ve ever been at the level of Cena.

It's doing as well as it's doing now because they got rid of Vince, not because they have Roman has been a champ for 2+ years and now part-timing it with both belts. If Roman was the reason behind it then they would have been regularly getting these kind of viewership and ratings numbers with Vince at the helm as well.

 

[Finn Baller]

It's doing as well as it's doing now because they got rid of Vince, not because they have Roman has been a champ for 2+ years and now part-timing it with both belts. If Roman was the reason behind it then they would have been regularly getting these kind of viewership and ratings numbers with Vince at the helm as well.

Even Meltzer who despises both Vince and WWE says the WWE turnaround in business started before Vince left

 

[TOAD99]

The problem is they are getting more reps and are in more featured positions than people like Hobbs, Wardlow and Starks who could actually be stars for AEW.

This is a fair point, I agree that those three have more star potential and should be showcased more

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

Yeah, when people started watching to see how all the VInce controversy played out on screen.

 

[prophecypro]

And all of that is... okay... IF Tony didn't have to bench Punk, Omega, and the Bucks. So again, Tony had a lot of new eyes on his product with people checking out wrasslin after Vince retired and then he got gifted the biggest IRL story in wrestling and he didn't put on shows that will make the non-AEW regular viewer want to stick around. An actual boss who wants to run his company like a business and not his own personal e-fed would've told Bryan, "You're the most credible guy I've got and we're in a bind. We're about to have a lot of new viewership and I need you to take the rock until we can steady the ship and then you can go back to goofing off when we're settled." Bryan would've done it.

And ya'll can say what you want about Yuta and Garcia getting reps to get better if Tony literally only had one show but he's not only putting them on his biggest show, he's giving them way more time than they deserve. Those reps can be done on Rampage or on the Youtube shows. Your biggest show during a time with the most new eyeballs you've gotten since Punk came back isn't the time or place to do anything but put out your absolute best wrasslers and storylines.

Whatever Tony's original plans were before Vince stepped down and the backstage catfight, he should've made better adjustments and he didn't.

They've already done that, for better or worse hes doing what people (in bad or good faith) wanted him to do: develop new stars. And to a certain extent the idea of letting the new guys get more push when big stars are gone is this romantiscized notion than many wrestling fans say promoters should do but takes way more time in reality

 

[Jmare007]

The problem is they are getting more reps and are in more featured positions than people like Hobbs, Wardlow and Starks who could actually be stars for AEW.

That's an issue with us fans but giving reps to people you are pushing is a must for any wrestling company.

It's doing as well as it's doing now because they got rid of Vince, not because they have Roman has been a champ for 2+ years and now part-timing it with both belts. If Roman was the reason behind it then they would have been regularly getting these kind of viewership and ratings numbers with Vince at the helm as well.

That's not necessarily true. SD! has been doing good numbers before Vince left and it's pretty clear Roman's long ass title reign has been a success. I think it's pretty evident there was a gradual increase in interest while dude was champ. Which makes sense, that sort of thing rarely starts hot and stays hot, it takes time for people to go and tune in. Specially for a guy as damaged by booking as Roman was.

 

[StackBundles]

I still want to know why Sonny Kiss turned heel

I don’t wanna know Sonny being from Jersey hurts

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

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Can Chris Jericho actually decimate every ROH World Champion? An analysis

Last Wednesday on Dynamite, Chris Jericho launched a campaign to decimate every previous ROH World Champion. By a combination of wrestlers working in other promotions, having allegations against them, and death, this is not possible. But how many can Chris Jericho actually decimate, and how many has he already decimated? Let's find out.

**Low Ki**: Low Ki was the inaugural Ring of Honor champion, winning the title on July 27, 2002 and holding it for 56 days. Although he has burned some bridges in his career, particularly in NJPW which AEW is affiliated with, Low Ki could theoretically walk through the "Forbidden Door" as a current member of the MLW roster. **It is unclear if Chris Jericho can decimate Low Ki.**

**Xavier**: Xavier won the ROH title on September 21, 2002 and held it for 182 days. Tragically, Xavier passed away on August 24, 2020 from unknown causes. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Xavier.**

**Samoa Joe**: Samoa Joe is the longest reigning ROH champion, having won the title on March 22, 2003 and holding it for 645 consecutive days. Joe is currently the ROH Television Champion and is on the AEW roster. **Chris Jericho can decimate Samoe Joe.**

**Austin Aries**: Aries is a two-time champion, holding the title for a combined 419 days. Aries has burned a number of bridges in his career, stemming from unprofessional behavior in Impact, his refusal to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and being accused of sexual assault during the Speaking Out movement. He is currently a free agent most associated with Control Your Narrative, which appears to be on hold after Adam Scherr re-signed with WWE. Although Tony Khan is extremely unlikely to bring Aries in, he theoretically could if he wanted to. **Chris Jericho can decimate Austin Aries.**

**CM Punk**: Punk won the title on June 18, 2005 and held it for 55 days. Punk is currently a member of the AEW roster, although he is injured and suspended due to the incident(s) after All Out. Should he remain with the company following both his injury and suspension, and should Jericho still have the title at that point, **Chris Jericho can decimate CM Punk.**

**James Gibson**: Better known as Jamie Noble, Gibson won the title on August 12, 2005 and held it for 36 days. Gibson retired from competition in 2009 after a series of injuries and currently works as a producer in WWE. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate James Gibson.**

**Bryan Danielson**: A 462-day champion, Danielson is currently on the AEW roster and will face Jericho on October 12 for the title. **Chris Jericho can decimate Bryan Danielson.**

**Homicide**: Homicide won the title on December 23, 2006 and held it for 56 days. He is currently a free agent with Wikipedia listing his most recent appearance as a one-off with AEW, coming to the aid of Jon Moxley and Eddie Kingston. **Chris Jericho can decimate Homicide.**

**Takeshi Morishima**: Morishima won the title on February 17, 2007 and held it for 231 days. Morishima retired from wrestling in 2015 due to health issues. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Takeshi Morishima.**

**Nigel McGuinness**: The second-longest reigning ROH champion, McGuinness held the title for 545 days. McGuinness retired due to injuries in 2011 and currently works as a commentator in WWE. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Nigel McGuinness.**

**Jerry Lynn**: Lynn won the title on April 3, 2009 and held it for 71 days. Although Lynn is currently on AEW's payroll, he is as a coach, having retired from wrestling in 2013. While Lynn could probably be involved in an angle, it is extremely unlikely that he would be placed in a match with Jericho. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Jerry Lynn.**

**Tyler Black**: Better known as WWE's Seth Rollins, Black held the title for 210 days. Obviously as one of WWE's most recognizable talents, **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Tyler Black.**

**Roderick Strong**: Strong held the title for 189 days, and although his three teammates in NXT's Undisputed Era later signed with AEW, Strong remains in WWE under the NXT banner. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Roderick Strong.**

**Eddie Edwards**: A 99-day champion and a prolific wrestler in multiple companies, Edwards is currently signed to Impact Wrestling as part of the Honor No More stable. AEW and Impact have had a working relationship in the past and could likely work out a deal for Edwards to appear. **Chris Jericho can decimate Eddie Edwards.**

**Davey Richards**: After winning the title from his tag partner, Richards held the title for 321 days. Richards recently took several years away from wrestling but returned to Impact Wrestling this past June. For the reasons mentioned above, **Chris Jericho can decimate Davey Richards.**

**Kevin Steen**: One of ROH's most iconic talents, Steen held the title for 328 days. Just over a year after he lost the title, Steen signed with WWE and currently works as Kevin Owens. Jericho and Owens had a great feud in WWE, but at present moment **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Kevin Steen.**

**Jay Briscoe**: Briscoe has held the title twice for a combined 375 days. Although reports indicate Warner Media do not want the Briscoes on AEW television, they have appeared on Ring of Honor's two pay-per-views in the Tony Khan era. Provided it happens in ROH and not AEW, **Chris Jericho can decimate Jay Briscoe.**

**Adam Cole**: Cole is ROH's only three-time World Champion, holding the belt for a combined 445 days. Although he has been out for months with a concussion, Cole is currently signed to AEW. Once he returns from injury, **Chris Jericho can decimate Adam Cole.**

**Michael Elgin**: Elgin won the title on June 22, 2014 and held it for 76 days. He has also worked for Impact, NJPW, and NOAH but has departed all three under less than honorable circumstances. He has also faced sexual assault allegations, making it extremely unlikely that he would appear on AEW television (even though he is technically a free agent). **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Michael Elgin.**

**Jay Lethal**: In his two reigns as champion, Lethal has held the title for a record 707 days. He is currently signed to AEW. **Chris Jericho can decimate Jay Lethal.**

**Kyle O'Reilly**: O'Reilly has the shortest reign as champion at 33 days (Jericho's current reign notwithstanding). Like Cole, O'Reilly is currently injured but is nonetheless signed to AEW. **Chris Jericho can decimate Kyle O'Reilly.**

**Christopher Daniels**: After being involved with ROH for much of its lifetime, Daniels finally won the title on March 10, 2017 and held it for 105 days. Daniels works in a management position for AEW but nonetheless occasionally wrestles for other promotions such as DEFY. **Chris Jericho can decimate Christopher Daniels.**

**Cody**: In his post-WWE tour, Cody held the title for 175 days. Although he was one of the founding members of AEW and actually lost an AEW World Championship match to Jericho in 2019, Cody was ultimately unable to agree to terms with AEW and re-signed with WWE earlier this year. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Cody.**

**Dalton Castle**: Castle won the title on December 15, 2017 and held it for 197 days. He is currently a free agent and has wrestled for both AEW and ROH this year. **Chris Jericho can decimate Dalton Castle.**

**Matt Taven**: A 174-day champion, Taven, similar to Edwards, works in Impact as a member of Honor No More. **Chris Jericho can decimate Matt Taven.**

**Rush**: Rush has two reigns with the ROH World Championship with a combined 575 days as champion. Rush is currently signed to AEW. **Chris Jericho can decimate Rush.**

**PCO**: His 78-day reign bookended by Rush reigns, PCO is similarly part of Impact's Honor No More stable. **Chris Jericho can decimate PCO.**

**Bandido**: Bandido won the title on July 11, 2021 and was forced to vacate it after 152 days. Jericho defeated Bandido this past Wednesday on Dynamite. **Chris Jericho has decimated Bandido.**

**Jonathan Gresham**: Gresham won the vacant title on December 11, 2021, unifying the belts in April and losing it in July after 224 days. Unhappy with losing his belt, Gresham requested his release and now works in PROGRESS Wrestling. **It is unclear if Chris Jericho can decimate Jonathan Gresham.**

**Claudio Castagnioli**: A current member of AEW's roster, Castagnioli lost the ROH World Championship to Jericho after a 60-day reign. I am assuming this counts towards Jericho's "decimation" process. **Chris Jericho has decimated Claudio Castagnioli.**

**FINAL SCORECARD**

Can decimate: 16

Cannot decimate: 10

Unclear: 2

Already decimated: 2

 

[Cattle Mutilation]

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Can Chris Jericho actually decimate every ROH World Champion? An analysis

Last Wednesday on Dynamite, Chris Jericho launched a campaign to decimate every previous ROH World Champion. By a combination of wrestlers working in other promotions, having allegations against them, and death, this is not possible. But how many can Chris Jericho actually decimate, and how many has he already decimated? Let's find out.

**Low Ki**: Low Ki was the inaugural Ring of Honor champion, winning the title on July 27, 2002 and holding it for 56 days. Although he has burned some bridges in his career, particularly in NJPW which AEW is affiliated with, Low Ki could theoretically walk through the "Forbidden Door" as a current member of the MLW roster. **It is unclear if Chris Jericho can decimate Low Ki.**

**Xavier**: Xavier won the ROH title on September 21, 2002 and held it for 182 days. Tragically, Xavier passed away on August 24, 2020 from unknown causes. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Xavier.**

**Samoa Joe**: Samoa Joe is the longest reigning ROH champion, having won the title on March 22, 2003 and holding it for 645 consecutive days. Joe is currently the ROH Television Champion and is on the AEW roster. **Chris Jericho can decimate Samoe Joe.**

**Austin Aries**: Aries is a two-time champion, holding the title for a combined 419 days. Aries has burned a number of bridges in his career, stemming from unprofessional behavior in Impact, his refusal to get the COVID-19 vaccine, and being accused of sexual assault during the Speaking Out movement. He is currently a free agent most associated with Control Your Narrative, which appears to be on hold after Adam Scherr re-signed with WWE. Although Tony Khan is extremely unlikely to bring Aries in, he theoretically could if he wanted to. **Chris Jericho can decimate Austin Aries.**

**CM Punk**: Punk won the title on June 18, 2005 and held it for 55 days. Punk is currently a member of the AEW roster, although he is injured and suspended due to the incident(s) after All Out. Should he remain with the company following both his injury and suspension, and should Jericho still have the title at that point, **Chris Jericho can decimate CM Punk.**

**James Gibson**: Better known as Jamie Noble, Gibson won the title on August 12, 2005 and held it for 36 days. Gibson retired from competition in 2009 after a series of injuries and currently works as a producer in WWE. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate James Gibson.**

**Bryan Danielson**: A 462-day champion, Danielson is currently on the AEW roster and will face Jericho on October 12 for the title. **Chris Jericho can decimate Bryan Danielson.**

**Homicide**: Homicide won the title on December 23, 2006 and held it for 56 days. He is currently a free agent with Wikipedia listing his most recent appearance as a one-off with AEW, coming to the aid of Jon Moxley and Eddie Kingston. **Chris Jericho can decimate Homicide.**

**Takeshi Morishima**: Morishima won the title on February 17, 2007 and held it for 231 days. Morishima retired from wrestling in 2015 due to health issues. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Takeshi Morishima.**

**Nigel McGuinness**: The second-longest reigning ROH champion, McGuinness held the title for 545 days. McGuinness retired due to injuries in 2011 and currently works as a commentator in WWE. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Nigel McGuinness.**

**Jerry Lynn**: Lynn won the title on April 3, 2009 and held it for 71 days. Although Lynn is currently on AEW's payroll, he is as a coach, having retired from wrestling in 2013. While Lynn could probably be involved in an angle, it is extremely unlikely that he would be placed in a match with Jericho. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Jerry Lynn.**

**Tyler Black**: Better known as WWE's Seth Rollins, Black held the title for 210 days. Obviously as one of WWE's most recognizable talents, **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Tyler Black.**

**Roderick Strong**: Strong held the title for 189 days, and although his three teammates in NXT's Undisputed Era later signed with AEW, Strong remains in WWE under the NXT banner. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Roderick Strong.**

**Eddie Edwards**: A 99-day champion and a prolific wrestler in multiple companies, Edwards is currently signed to Impact Wrestling as part of the Honor No More stable. AEW and Impact have had a working relationship in the past and could likely work out a deal for Edwards to appear. **Chris Jericho can decimate Eddie Edwards.**

**Davey Richards**: After winning the title from his tag partner, Richards held the title for 321 days. Richards recently took several years away from wrestling but returned to Impact Wrestling this past June. For the reasons mentioned above, **Chris Jericho can decimate Davey Richards.**

**Kevin Steen**: One of ROH's most iconic talents, Steen held the title for 328 days. Just over a year after he lost the title, Steen signed with WWE and currently works as Kevin Owens. Jericho and Owens had a great feud in WWE, but at present moment **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Kevin Steen.**

**Jay Briscoe**: Briscoe has held the title twice for a combined 375 days. Although reports indicate Warner Media do not want the Briscoes on AEW television, they have appeared on Ring of Honor's two pay-per-views in the Tony Khan era. Provided it happens in ROH and not AEW, **Chris Jericho can decimate Jay Briscoe.**

**Adam Cole**: Cole is ROH's only three-time World Champion, holding the belt for a combined 445 days. Although he has been out for months with a concussion, Cole is currently signed to AEW. Once he returns from injury, **Chris Jericho can decimate Adam Cole.**

**Michael Elgin**: Elgin won the title on June 22, 2014 and held it for 76 days. He has also worked for Impact, NJPW, and NOAH but has departed all three under less than honorable circumstances. He has also faced sexual assault allegations, making it extremely unlikely that he would appear on AEW television (even though he is technically a free agent). **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Michael Elgin.**

**Jay Lethal**: In his two reigns as champion, Lethal has held the title for a record 707 days. He is currently signed to AEW. **Chris Jericho can decimate Jay Lethal.**

**Kyle O'Reilly**: O'Reilly has the shortest reign as champion at 33 days (Jericho's current reign notwithstanding). Like Cole, O'Reilly is currently injured but is nonetheless signed to AEW. **Chris Jericho can decimate Kyle O'Reilly.**

**Christopher Daniels**: After being involved with ROH for much of its lifetime, Daniels finally won the title on March 10, 2017 and held it for 105 days. Daniels works in a management position for AEW but nonetheless occasionally wrestles for other promotions such as DEFY. **Chris Jericho can decimate Christopher Daniels.**

**Cody**: In his post-WWE tour, Cody held the title for 175 days. Although he was one of the founding members of AEW and actually lost an AEW World Championship match to Jericho in 2019, Cody was ultimately unable to agree to terms with AEW and re-signed with WWE earlier this year. **Chris Jericho cannot decimate Cody.**

**Dalton Castle**: Castle won the title on December 15, 2017 and held it for 197 days. He is currently a free agent and has wrestled for both AEW and ROH this year. **Chris Jericho can decimate Dalton Castle.**

**Matt Taven**: A 174-day champion, Taven, similar to Edwards, works in Impact as a member of Honor No More. **Chris Jericho can decimate Matt Taven.**

**Rush**: Rush has two reigns with the ROH World Championship with a combined 575 days as champion. Rush is currently signed to AEW. **Chris Jericho can decimate Rush.**

**PCO**: His 78-day reign bookended by Rush reigns, PCO is similarly part of Impact's Honor No More stable. **Chris Jericho can decimate PCO.**

**Bandido**: Bandido won the title on July 11, 2021 and was forced to vacate it after 152 days. Jericho defeated Bandido this past Wednesday on Dynamite. **Chris Jericho has decimated Bandido.**

**Jonathan Gresham**: Gresham won the vacant title on December 11, 2021, unifying the belts in April and losing it in July after 224 days. Unhappy with losing his belt, Gresham requested his release and now works in PROGRESS Wrestling. **It is unclear if Chris Jericho can decimate Jonathan Gresham.**

**Claudio Castagnioli**: A current member of AEW's roster, Castagnioli lost the ROH World Championship to Jericho after a 60-day reign. I am assuming this counts towards Jericho's "decimation" process. **Chris Jericho has decimated Claudio Castagnioli.**

**FINAL SCORECARD**

Can decimate: 16

Cannot decimate: 10

Unclear: 2

Already decimated: 2

Someone has too much time on their hands lol