90's Rap misconceptions?

[Professor Emeritus]

Who do you think most listeners in the age bracket that determines the best/hottest in the game (16-25) have determined as such? They're past the Drake*/Kendrick/Cole era

I've heard Will be called corny but never wack

I didn't say Will was "wack", I just don't think he's superior to anyone on top of the game or "respected" right now. Mediocre? Yeah, I'd definitely say mediocre. Same with Hammer, definitely.

Maybe I just don't know who you're calling "on top of the game".

I still don't think anyone topping Beastie Boys for having seriously wack rappers regularly putting out #1 albums.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

I didn't say Will was "wack", I just don't think he's superior to anyone on top of the game or "respected" right now. Mediocre? Yeah, I'd definitely say mediocre. Same with Hammer, definitely.

Maybe I just don't know who you're calling "on top of the game".

I still don't think anyone topping Beastie Boys for having seriously wack rappers regularly putting out #1 albums.

By the 90s though, the Beastie Boys weren't really in that "traditional" rap lane. Their influence and audience was more in the rock zone than the rap zone at that point.

 

[mobbinfms]

Big L prominence. Big L was not a well known rapper or prominently featured or referenced when he was alive.

Yes he rubbed shoulders with likes of Rocafella artist, Twista etc but he was not highly regarded alive as he was after death especially more than a decade later by 90s babies and others

What’s this about Big L and Twista?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

By the 90s though, the Beastie Boys weren't really in that "traditional" rap lane. Their influence and audience was more in the rock zone than the rap zone at that point.

"Paul's Boutique" came out in the last half of 1989 and wasn't even really popular at first but by the mid-1990s it was getting on "best hip hop albums ever" lists. All their tours in the early 1990s were based off of two recent albums considered hip hop classics, just because those albums came out at the end of the 1980s doesn't mean they weren't still on top of the scene in the 1990s. Beastie Boys were definitely still influential and considered hip hop in the early 1990s at the least.

 

[Asicz]

What’s this about Big L and Twista?

Just kind of a brief interaction for a show

Home - BET UK

 

[Flywin Lannister]

True for Rap City during the Mayor and Joe Claire years, but yeah by Basement era it was a wrap for anything that wasn't commercial or at least getting majorly pushed.

And exactly, there was a lot of corny/biting just downright bad Hip Hop music. There was literally rap groups that were straight up copy-cats of popular acts or sometimes acts that were poppin at a point a lost their buzz would conform to whatever sound/style was popular at the time. A lot of generic gangster rap music was made in the mid 90s. Even generic conscious rap.

This is a fact and if you lived it you know it to be a fact.

For every original hit artist, labels would have clones. This is why when a wave was popping (shiny suit era, west coast dre era whatever) it would become "the sound": most Producers (because of labels) would start copying that sound. And this is still an issue until this day, now it's just even way more blatant with pop acts blatantly biting what works well in Hip-Hop sonically/lyrically/sound-wise. If I go back I really think only Wu didn't truly suffer copy cats.

Another misconception: Black people ran The Source. I had 0 idea at the time this was not a Black magazine. The 5 mics were considered holy. Turned out it was started by a white dude called Dave Mays. This is what started things like Complex and other white establishments reporting and speaking on our culture. While it's an inclusive culture, lack of Black ownership is a real issue. Same thing with Def Jam: it was founded by Russell AND a white dude (Rick Rubin).

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

FOH nonsensical bytch

Yeah this shyt definitely pushed the needle of the bullshyt we got now, S/O to No Limit

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

I think I remember reading back then in a magazine that they purposefully eased up from it becuz so many people started to bite it. Plus they didn’t want it to define them. But they’re legends becuz of it

That rappity rap style of theirs?

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

I never said there was no trash being out, just that Hip-Hop was better at self-policing.

You don't even hear songs like "Paparazzi" or "Stakes Is High" anymore because nobody gives a shyt

Which is why Hip-Hop is in the state it's in.

I feel like the only songs I know of today that’s in the vein of “Stakes Is High”, “Paparazzi”, and “Mass Appeal” are J Cole’s “1985” and Cordae’s “Old nikkas”.

 

[Shadow King]

I didn't say Will was "wack", I just don't think he's superior to anyone on top of the game or "respected" right now. Mediocre? Yeah, I'd definitely say mediocre. Same with Hammer, definitely.

Maybe I just don't know who you're calling "on top of the game".

I still don't think anyone topping Beastie Boys for having seriously wack rappers regularly putting out #1 albums.

The Lil Babys, Da Baby, A-Boogies, Roddy Riches, Lil Durks of the world are pretty much at the top for the youth. Will isn't a more skilled rapper than them?

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

I remember Meth saying he was so popular that he didn't like the attention, so he started "disfiguring" himself to make himself ugly. (the cataract contact lens, taking photos with stuff hanging out of his nose)

and being mad that it only made him MORE popular

Poor Meth lmaooo

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

And this children, is a recipe for one of the leading causes of having your ears bleeding, IQ lowered, and brain aneurysms.

Facts. nikka had the nerve to be on some child ass homotional bytch shyt because a lot of us aren’t in this illusion that No Limit had some bomb ass talent No Limit was one of the prototypes for today’s Rap talent. They music do be crankin at times but at the end of the day, a strong number of them are basura on the mic.

 

[BmoreGorilla]

That rappity rap style of theirs?

Yup. A lot of folks bit that. Think back to Kriss Kross saying migggity miggity mack. Or Fu-Schnickens jacking their whole style. Even had Shaq rapping like that

 

[FreshAIG]

That rappity rap style of theirs?

Yeah a lot of people were doing it for that short time period. A lot of rappers called others out for it from The Beatnuts to KRS to Casual.

"Enough with this wackness, enough is my check
Enough of these motherfukkers bititn' Das Efx" - Casual "That's How It Is"

 

[BmoreGorilla]

Yeah a lot of people were doing it for that short time period. A lot of rappers called others out for it from The Beatnuts to KRS to Casual.

"Enough with this wackness, enough is my check
Enough of these motherfukkers bititn' Das Efx" - Casual "That's How It Is"

Even Jay Z and Jaz O bit that shyt. I might be wrong but I think Das Efx was the precursor to rhyming fast in hip hop. Early Twista when he had Tung in the front was biting off Das Efx heavy. Now that I think about it they changed hip hop and barely get credit